991 GT3 RS vs. 458 Speciale
10-13-2013, 02:54 PM
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The reason you don't see a lot of GT3s on sale here is because their owners generally don't part with them so easily or quickly. It's a different crowd. With the risk of over-simplification: Carrera or Turbo owner buy theirs fully specced, but sell it and buy another one as soon as a face-lifted version arrives. Most GT3 owners couldn't care less about a slightly different front fascia or other rear lights, hence as less persuaded to rotate their cars quickly. And less GT3 get sold into the market to start with.
To answer your last question: IMHO, absolutely!
To answer your last question: IMHO, absolutely!
10-25-2013, 03:10 PM
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10-13-2014, 06:22 PM
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I had a 458 S for a day in Germany a few months ago, and drove it HAARD!! Hit 195 mph on the autobahn and shifted at redline many many times. It didn't miss a beat. There's nothing delicate about a 458 S.
10-13-2014, 09:44 PM
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I think that it is great that a GT3 is competitive with a Ferrari that cost twice as much. But, if money is no object, the Speciale is better looking, better sounding, has more hp, and goes faster.
10-14-2014, 12:17 AM
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Oh the conundrum. Redhead vs brunette. I look forward to the day I take the Italian plunge and own both. And I will flog them both. Even if I feel like I need to be a little more gentle on the redhead. I will also look at her differently.
10-14-2014, 12:19 AM
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He is comparing a GT3RS to a Speciale. Not a standard GT3, so the half price statement is not exactly true.
The Ferrari Motor and trans are indeed robust. Yes it can take a beating if maintained.
Porsche makes a nice product, but their customer service and public relations are pathetic. In my opinion Ferrari wins there.
Go ahead and flame. Anyone still waiting for their 2014 GT3 while the rest of the world is receiving 2015 models understands what I mean.
The Ferrari Motor and trans are indeed robust. Yes it can take a beating if maintained.
Porsche makes a nice product, but their customer service and public relations are pathetic. In my opinion Ferrari wins there.
Go ahead and flame. Anyone still waiting for their 2014 GT3 while the rest of the world is receiving 2015 models understands what I mean.
10-14-2014, 01:00 AM
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He is comparing a GT3RS to a Speciale. Not a standard GT3, so the half price statement is not exactly true.
The Ferrari Motor and trans are indeed robust. Yes it can take a beating if maintained.
Porsche makes a nice product, but their customer service and public relations are pathetic. In my opinion Ferrari wins there.
Go ahead and flame. Anyone still waiting for their 2014 GT3 while the rest of the world is receiving 2015 models understands what I mean.
The Ferrari Motor and trans are indeed robust. Yes it can take a beating if maintained.
Porsche makes a nice product, but their customer service and public relations are pathetic. In my opinion Ferrari wins there.
Go ahead and flame. Anyone still waiting for their 2014 GT3 while the rest of the world is receiving 2015 models understands what I mean.
10-14-2014, 04:14 AM
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About 10 years ago, I got to speak to an engineer who worked for the transmission manufacturer who made trannies for Aston and ferrari as well as a few others. He was mentioning that they offered OEM's a range of options, shift speeds etc. Some OEM's have a higher tolerance for breakdowns, others want longer duration. For example, when the first f1 gearboxes came out, ferrari ordered theirs for the Maranello as the fastest setting they could order, whereas Aston ordered the most conservative for the vanquish. When the two cars were compared by magazines they all gave ferrari kudos and said their box was more advanced.. Their internals were identical, it was just the limits at which the electronics were calibrated which made a difference.
I don't know if this type of practice still goes on today, but it would be interesting if a ferrari today could be proven to be more "delicate" than a comparable sports car.
I don't know if this type of practice still goes on today, but it would be interesting if a ferrari today could be proven to be more "delicate" than a comparable sports car.
10-14-2014, 04:50 AM
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458 oft cited as having the better shift ..
cf: http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=25818
quoting Chris:
"Now I didn't quote gearbox designation codes at Herr Maylander (I didn't know them at the time) but I did ask him why effectively the same gearbox felt so different, and rather slow-witted in a Mercedes. He said it was simply a matter of calibration. AMG knew the capabilities of the transmission, but when it used the fastest response and shift-speeds, it couldn't pass the company's powertrain reliability tests, so it had to alter the calibration accordingl
This piqued my interest, so I did a little digging on the web of truth and justice. Turns out the first Ferrari Californias did have some issues. And if you Google "Ferrari California gearbox failure / problems" or "Ferrari 458 gearbox failure / problems", you'll find of owners of both cars who have had issues and replacement gearboxes. It has to be said that almost all of them appear to have been treated very well by Ferrari.
Search for "Mercedes SLS gearbox failure / problems" and there isn't a single thread detailing such an incident."
10-14-2014, 12:29 PM
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Aha! So my memory serves me right and this is still going on. Interesting that for the sake of brand attributes ferrari tolerates potentially a lower quality perception. It's all ab choices and compromises isn't it.
10-14-2014, 03:16 PM
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He is comparing a GT3RS to a Speciale. Not a standard GT3, so the half price statement is not exactly true.
The Ferrari Motor and trans are indeed robust. Yes it can take a beating if maintained.
Porsche makes a nice product, but their customer service and public relations are pathetic. In my opinion Ferrari wins there.
Go ahead and flame. Anyone still waiting for their 2014 GT3 while the rest of the world is receiving 2015 models understands what I mean.
The Ferrari Motor and trans are indeed robust. Yes it can take a beating if maintained.
Porsche makes a nice product, but their customer service and public relations are pathetic. In my opinion Ferrari wins there.
Go ahead and flame. Anyone still waiting for their 2014 GT3 while the rest of the world is receiving 2015 models understands what I mean.
Porsche gives me no issues on warranty claims, none. Porsche appreciates your business. Never felt like that with Ferrari. However, I will give them a second chance.
10-14-2014, 03:46 PM
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I haven't got a chance to drive Speciale, but I am sure they are both amazing machines, but different characters. If I buy either, I would definitely miss the other. I don't care which is faster, otherwise I would just buy a 650S now.