Car & Driver instrumented test of GT3
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But, I agree with the overall thrust of your post. AFAIC, the whole Nurburgring Arms Race that the Germans started and now seems to have sucked in every performance car manufacturer is idiotic. There's no public road (at least in US) where one can sanely/safely exploit the potential of any of these cars going back 3-4 generations, let alone what's produced today. And as performance and price escalate the downside risk of tracking street cars grows exponentially.
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These blistering performance numbers continue to raise the question in my mind of the proper use of this car. IMO it's pointlessly fast for road use, like at a stallion confined in a small yard. At the track, it will easily 'win' in every DE run group if the driver is at least average for the run group. That means that in higher run groups, driving it at least 8/10ths will mean a blistering pace, with the associated risks, need for skill, and need for real safety equipment (6-pts, possibly halos, roll bar, cage would be preferable but impractical for street use).
For me the GT3 will be a weekend car used for some weekend cruising/dinner out with the wife, spirited drives in less populated areas and some track days (3-5 per year) where I can comfortably drive to about 7-8/10ths. Will I ever get to or want to find the limits of this car, perhaps, but it's not necessary for me but it's nice to know that I have a car that's capable of getting me to within 7-8/10ths of my race car.
Yes, there will be the occasional C&C/car show to share the passion with other car enthusiast...
I am very excited to get this car and all these amazing results are making the wait so much harder..
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...There's no public road (at least in US) where one can sanely/safely exploit the potential of any of these cars going back 3-4 generations, let alone what's produced today. And as performance and price escalate the downside risk of tracking street cars grows exponentially.
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I dunno, and I have a 997.1 C2S with 6MT, and maybe I should just be content with it. The car is plenty engaging on the road at reasonable speeds, plenty fast on the track and challenging in a fun way, and not too expensive if I wreck it. What I really want is either a 997 GT3 at a good price (I think they're currently overpriced) or a manual 991 GT3 which exploits the 991 platform but is otherwise very similar to a 997 GT3. I think the root of the problem is that the 991 GT3, while a helluva car, isn't what I hoped for, and so far I'm unable to embrace it for my use.
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It's been the case for well over a decade. Even BRZ is an overkill for street driving most of the time. On top of that, the roads are so broken down that I can often drive faster in Cayenne or X5 than in my track M3. Frustrating, but fortunately track time is relatively cheap.
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For me the GT3 will be a weekend car used for some weekend cruising/dinner out with the wife, spirited drives in less populated areas and some track days (3-5 per year) where I can comfortably drive to about 7-8/10ths. Will I ever get to or want to find the limits of this car, perhaps, but it's not necessary for me but it's nice to know that I have a car that's capable of getting me to within 7-8/10ths of my race car.
Yes, there will be the occasional C&C/car show to share the passion with other car enthusiast..
Yes, there will be the occasional C&C/car show to share the passion with other car enthusiast..
Describes me almost perfectly.
#68
Braking distance is very impressive!
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...toppers-page-4
135 feet is the shortest stop I have seen on a stock car. I managed that same distance on a modified 2006 Evo MR with an Alcon front brake kit and Toyo RA1 tires.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...toppers-page-4
135 feet is the shortest stop I have seen on a stock car. I managed that same distance on a modified 2006 Evo MR with an Alcon front brake kit and Toyo RA1 tires.
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Braking distance is very impressive!
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...toppers-page-4
135 feet is the shortest stop I have seen on a stock car. I managed that same distance on a modified 2006 Evo MR with an Alcon front brake kit and Toyo RA1 tires.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...toppers-page-4
135 feet is the shortest stop I have seen on a stock car. I managed that same distance on a modified 2006 Evo MR with an Alcon front brake kit and Toyo RA1 tires.
#71
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Most modern cars offer way more performance than can be safely used on the streets but cars like the GT3 are more aimed at the enthusiast who not only would take the car to the occasional track day, but also have an appreciation for the engineering/technology that makes these cars what they are and show what they are capable of.
For me the GT3 will be a weekend car used for some weekend cruising/dinner out with the wife, spirited drives in less populated areas and some track days (3-5 per year) where I can comfortably drive to about 7-8/10ths. Will I ever get to or want to find the limits of this car, perhaps, but it's not necessary for me but it's nice to know that I have a car that's capable of getting me to within 7-8/10ths of my race car.
Yes, there will be the occasional C&C/car show to share the passion with other car enthusiast...
I am very excited to get this car and all these amazing results are making the wait so much harder..
For me the GT3 will be a weekend car used for some weekend cruising/dinner out with the wife, spirited drives in less populated areas and some track days (3-5 per year) where I can comfortably drive to about 7-8/10ths. Will I ever get to or want to find the limits of this car, perhaps, but it's not necessary for me but it's nice to know that I have a car that's capable of getting me to within 7-8/10ths of my race car.
Yes, there will be the occasional C&C/car show to share the passion with other car enthusiast...
I am very excited to get this car and all these amazing results are making the wait so much harder..
agree completely.
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Most modern cars offer way more performance than can be safely used on the streets but cars like the GT3 are more aimed at the enthusiast who not only would take the car to the occasional track day, but also have an appreciation for the engineering/technology that makes these cars what they are and show what they are capable of.
For me the GT3 will be a weekend car used for some weekend cruising/dinner out with the wife, spirited drives in less populated areas and some track days (3-5 per year) where I can comfortably drive to about 7-8/10ths. Will I ever get to or want to find the limits of this car, perhaps, but it's not necessary for me but it's nice to know that I have a car that's capable of getting me to within 7-8/10ths of my race car.
Yes, there will be the occasional C&C/car show to share the passion with other car enthusiast...
I am very excited to get this car and all these amazing results are making the wait so much harder..
For me the GT3 will be a weekend car used for some weekend cruising/dinner out with the wife, spirited drives in less populated areas and some track days (3-5 per year) where I can comfortably drive to about 7-8/10ths. Will I ever get to or want to find the limits of this car, perhaps, but it's not necessary for me but it's nice to know that I have a car that's capable of getting me to within 7-8/10ths of my race car.
Yes, there will be the occasional C&C/car show to share the passion with other car enthusiast...
I am very excited to get this car and all these amazing results are making the wait so much harder..
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I do dozens of track days a year, so for me a car that's tracked only 3 to 5 days is mainly a street car. For that use, I'd be much more interested in the M3/4 than the 991 GT3.
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BTW, I wouldn't drive an M3 if you dropped one off in my driveway with the title on the front seat.
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