vf430

Tom , Looks like you own/owned a great list of cars. Congrats on 458s , it will be amazing and if you haven't owned a Ferrari ..you owe it to yourself as a car guy. GT3 cannot be compared to 458s at all. Good luck.

scott40

Vinod, Why did you sell your Scud if GT3s and Porsches are so inferior to Ferraris??? You had a nice Scud... Thought you liked your new Cayman S!

tcsracing1

calling NJ-GT................

vf430

Scott , we are comparing a 458 scud version to a 991 gt3 with pdk its obviously in a different league of performance and excitement. Both are double clutch cars , its not like your rs that has 6 speed to offer Driver engagement. Ferrari looks better, sounds better,probably faster than 991 gt3 based on numbers. Whats not to like except the price? I sold my scud because i drove 7 k plus miles in a year and got a bit more than what i paid. I just couldnt pass up the deal. I love the new cayman and it serves my purpose well for track duty only. for street only cars i prefer ferrari , track only porsche.

Nothing against gt3 , i owned one and may buy one again. But If someone can afford a 458 scud version why not ?

Tommy 5

I am curious to know why you would track only Porsche and street drive only Ferrari? I would think you'd like to get that Ferrari out on the track, no?

frayed

For most, including me, it seems like a crazy comparison since the 458 speciale is expected to be trading hands at 450k ish and very difficult to get. OTOH, if one has the luxury of being able to easily afford either and can then compare cars based solely on merit independent of price, then it's a valid comparison and certainly the 458 will be king.

Kind of like when R&T does the best driver's car every year and compares a subaru to a lambo.

TomTom77

I know it's crazy, yet that's exactly what I am going to do... to determine which one will give me the biggest smile on my face while driving it (hard) and hence earns his spot in my garage.

Then yesterday somebody asked: "why don't you buy a Carrera GT instead of that Ferrari?"... which got me thinking again! Sure, it's an 'older' and high-maintenance car, but it's a future classic, won't depreciate a lot, got a screaming V10, true analogue supercar...

Nick

The CGT is an amazing car. Even though it is about 10 years older than the 458, it still is faster.

That said, it is a very difficult car to drive. It does not have any nanny aids and with its power 612hp weight 3200 lbs it can be very squirrelly to drive. The problem I had with it as many others have is it requires your full attention at all times. The slightest mistake will have you spinning. Before you buy I suggest you drive it at least for a couple of hours.

frayed

With the PDK only GT3, Pete Stout removed it off his dream car list. What remains are all three pedal cars including the CGT.

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...l#post10538161

I believe he posted somewhere on hear his impressions of the CGT after a decent amount of seat time. IIRC, he said it isn't nearly as hairy to drive as its reputation would have you believe. Since he has experience with the beast it may be worth PM'ing him on the topic.

CAlexio

Didnt evo recently try it with different tires which supposedly transformed the handling?

I thought the cgt had some form of traction control?

If there was on car which I believe has generational value, worth keeping in a family "forever".. It's the cgt. Mechanically simple, beautifully constructed with many beautiful details, and full of secrets requiring the driver to continue learning throughout his ownership years. I perceive this car as a sort of mclaren f1, below the $1million+ level. More desirable than its contemporaries like an Enzo and slr, and much more desirable than a 918 IMO

Nick

When the Stig drove it for Top Gear (or was it Fifth gear?) he spun the car several times while trying to establish a time for the TV series on their track. Finally, after several attempts he was able to complete the course and establish a good time.

Tacet-Conundrum

I love Ferrari's, truly do. As a stand alone car manufacturer they have built the best looking cars out of the history of any other car maker. But I don't want to spend over $200K on a car that has not the greatest quality and reliability. And when you are spending $200K+ on a new car; reliability and quality should be tantamount. And we all pretty much know with some certainty we know which copies of what car brand thisb applies too..

Now, its just that some of us put up with the quirks and low(er) reliability and quality.

Hu

Tacet-Conundrum

What percentage of these special F458 Ferrari will go to folks who already own a Ferrari or have a deep report with a Ferrari Dealership? That helped a lot with me and Alessandro Ribola, Sales Manager, at McLaren in SF. And Im still trying to get up there for my all day test drive. Im going to buy a GoPro for that trip and a stop off in Freemont at Sharky's to do a once over. Alex and Dan,.its coming soon. Hopefully sooner than later.

You do realize one of Ferrari's "Kaizan" parameters are the smell of their own Farts.

I had mentioned that to someone at a Porsche Dealership in an email and they told me they nearly peed their pants after reading that email I sent them inquiring on a few issues - shared it with a few people in the office.

There will always be that imaginary ghost arm of Enzo Ferrari from keeping some folks who would like to buy a NEW Rare Ferrari FAR AWAY from getting one new at the dealership! As many of us know that "some" Ferrari ownership is a Privilege that only a small fortunate few are allowed! Those who are deemed fortunate enough to.collect a rare new Ferrari. And please don't bring up the F40. They were only to build only a few of them but they just kept on building them just to keep up with the Porsche 959! Something like 1400+. Porsche ended up building less 959s than Ferrari F40s since they canceled Gruppe B?

What I do notice however is you must be more educated about their product than they are. That helps A LOT. Especially if you can talk to a sales manager.

CAlexio

So, are you saying the "list" is not an absolute thing.. Is there a way around it if you want to buy your first new Ferrari at msrp?

Yargk

That's kinda funny. I don't think the average GT3 rennlister cares as much about how the car looks as long is it drives well.