In real world Trim the 991 GT3 is as light as the 4.0RS!
#16
If you want your car loaded, he might be right, though hopefully not too many people will be specing loaded GT3s. No doubt in most people's mind that the TTS is faster on equal tires.
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#19
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Not that 2 seconds really matters that much one way or the other, but for weeks the Ring number being given to journo's by Porsche has been 7:25. Now all of a sudden it's "apparently" been changed to 7:27, a number I haven't seen mentioned anywhere except in this thread. Very curious.
I guess we'll need independent testing to confirm one way or the other.....
I guess we'll need independent testing to confirm one way or the other.....
#20
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They should test them all at Sebring in the summer.
It's where they test for Lemans, good enough for me.
I figure we can clock 8 hours or 800 miles a day.
In 20 days we should know...Winterfest, 48 hours and a couple of Chin and David Murry days and you're there.
We know the 997 held up, no problem.
It's where they test for Lemans, good enough for me.
I figure we can clock 8 hours or 800 miles a day.
In 20 days we should know...Winterfest, 48 hours and a couple of Chin and David Murry days and you're there.
We know the 997 held up, no problem.
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Not that 2 seconds really matters that much one way or the other, but for weeks the Ring number being given to journo's by Porsche has been 7:25. Now all of a sudden it's "apparently" been changed to 7:27, a number I haven't seen mentioned anywhere except in this thread. Very curious.
I guess we'll need independent testing to confirm one way or the other.....
I guess we'll need independent testing to confirm one way or the other.....
No big deal. The Gt3 still beats most much more expensive cars. Porsche is propping up the 991TTS with its ridiculous price tag.
BTW, AMS test results tomorrow. OOps just got the test results from AMS.
0-100 km/h = 3.6s
0-200 km/h = 12.1s
315 km/h
400m = 11.6s (197 km/h)
Factory state time for 0-200 was 11.4. So we have our first conflict between what Porsche is saying and what outside test are showing.
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#25
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Nick, who is AMS?
Edit: Auto Motor und Sport?
Just buy an aftermarket ***-cooler......
http://compare.ebay.com/like/1307406...Types&var=sbar
Edit: Auto Motor und Sport?
http://compare.ebay.com/like/1307406...Types&var=sbar
Last edited by Mike in CA; 08-21-2013 at 04:44 PM.
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#27
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OK. Theres your deficit for AMS vs Factory.
Add 100kg ballast to the car with passenger and timing gear and you would see 0.1 slower to 100. You would also see 0.3 to 200 difference.
Looks about right for real world numbers.
Add 100kg ballast to the car with passenger and timing gear and you would see 0.1 slower to 100. You would also see 0.3 to 200 difference.
Looks about right for real world numbers.
#28
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That is what I understand and would explain the difference. What I don't understand why AMS would handicap the car if they were determining whether factory numbers are accurate. Surely they knew that Porsche numbers were based on one driver and a light one at that.
#29
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Nick, who is AMS?
Edit: Auto Motor und Sport?
Just buy an aftermarket ***-cooler......
http://compare.ebay.com/like/1307406...Types&var=sbar
Edit: Auto Motor und Sport?
Just buy an aftermarket ***-cooler......
http://compare.ebay.com/like/1307406...Types&var=sbar
Its gonna look a bit clunky in my shine new RS though.
But hey, I guess with PDK we can get remote start! (STD on Corvette)
#30
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Nick. Im sure they do but if thats there policy to have two in the car one to operate the gear or something then I guess at least all their metrics are consistent between cars and manufacturers.
I know from the track that 120kg deficit in my 993 saves ~1 second a lap on a 2.5km track. Weight is a compounding issue by 0-200kmph.
To me even without the issue of 100kg+ of additional ballast those figures are fairly close to print if you accept that humidity, temperature and surface could all have a bearing on a run even with the same car and driver on the same course on the same day/week/month. We are talking a tenth of a second to 100km/62 mph here.
I know from the track that 120kg deficit in my 993 saves ~1 second a lap on a 2.5km track. Weight is a compounding issue by 0-200kmph.
To me even without the issue of 100kg+ of additional ballast those figures are fairly close to print if you accept that humidity, temperature and surface could all have a bearing on a run even with the same car and driver on the same course on the same day/week/month. We are talking a tenth of a second to 100km/62 mph here.