Corvette drivers are meat eaters, but I don't think he ordered this T-Bone.
08-06-2013, 12:14 AM
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08-06-2013, 12:26 AM
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08-06-2013, 12:28 AM
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08-06-2013, 02:11 AM
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08-06-2013, 07:18 AM
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Performance wise I understand what you're saying in specifically comparing those two.
But I thought we were talking about something different and more general; why Euro buyers don't buy American cars. I understood you to say it was because of price. I'm suggesting that given the fact that the 2014 Corvette is priced unusually competitively against the Carrera in the UK we might have a chance to find out if that's true.
But I thought we were talking about something different and more general; why Euro buyers don't buy American cars. I understood you to say it was because of price. I'm suggesting that given the fact that the 2014 Corvette is priced unusually competitively against the Carrera in the UK we might have a chance to find out if that's true.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...gray-announced
"Although Chevrolet this year admitted it plans to build right-hand-drive Corvettes in the future, UK Stingrays will initially be left-hand drive"
(..this is the GM who wondered why it sold soooo few cars in Japan in the 90s....well maybe make some RHD cars to start with)
08-06-2013, 08:28 AM
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There was a brief discussion in this forum where someone suggested that Porsche would be limiting sales of the GT3. Others have countered that they have been assured by their dealers that they will be able to get one as there will be plenty of availability. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Unlike a lot of people on this board, I am not concerned that VW might be dictating all of Porsche's design and engineering specifications, I don't think that will happen. I am more concerned that the inexorable pressure on publicly held corporations to show quarter over quarter sales growth will cause VW to "encourage" Porsche's marketing people to put up big sales numbers. Inevitably, that will cheapen the brand.
At first, we will salute that strategy as prices moderate. In the end we will all lose when the product is necessarily cheapened to catch up with the lower pricing.
08-06-2013, 08:38 AM
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^ No offense, but that strikes me as incredibly elitist. Who cares about exclusivity? If other people are able to get the same car as you and enjoy it, does that really take away from your enjoyment of your car? For me, it would be the opposite, the more the merrier. And greater production volume should lower the cost for everyone, while also increasing the manufacturer's overall profit, so it's win-win-win. I buy cars to enjoy driving them and/or for transport, not for status display.
Ferrari can apply their exclusivity strategy because their buyers can pretty much pay whatever Ferrari asks, and those buyers are willing, if not motivated, to send a message to the world that they're rich. I've never seen Porsche or its customers as being about that. Go to a PCA event and you see lots of middle class people, only a minority are wealthy.
Ferrari can apply their exclusivity strategy because their buyers can pretty much pay whatever Ferrari asks, and those buyers are willing, if not motivated, to send a message to the world that they're rich. I've never seen Porsche or its customers as being about that. Go to a PCA event and you see lots of middle class people, only a minority are wealthy.
08-06-2013, 08:54 AM
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I hope all of the members here that own Ferrari's are sufficiently offended.
08-06-2013, 09:04 AM
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Who cares about exclusivity? If other people are able to get the same car as you and enjoy it, does that really take away from your enjoyment of your car? For me, it would be the opposite, the more the merrier. And greater production volume should lower the cost for everyone, while also increasing the manufacturer's overall profit, so it's win-win-win. I buy cars to enjoy driving them and/or for transport, not for status display.
Porsche sold as many cars as the market will bare, while Ferrari always said they tried to sell one less. More than one these days.
Resale value does make it very difficult for those on a budget to justify buying new. Arguably those on a budget may be the same people most likely to use the cars as intended.
Not sure exactly where I come down on this, I'm just saying...
But he does have a point about the average Ferrari owner being more of a status seeker than a driver. vs Porsche, in my experience.
08-06-2013, 09:20 AM
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Two words: resale value. Why is a great condition Carrera GT worth less than it sold for new, while an Enzo or F50 is nearing double? While the GT is one of the three "great analog supercars" besting many more expensive cars per Evo?
Porsche sold as many cars as the market will bare, while Ferrari always said they tried to sell one less. More than one these days.
Resale value does make it very difficult for those on a budget to justify buying new. Arguably those on a budget may be the same people most likely to use the cars as intended.
Not sure exactly where I come down on this, I'm just saying...
Porsche sold as many cars as the market will bare, while Ferrari always said they tried to sell one less. More than one these days.
Resale value does make it very difficult for those on a budget to justify buying new. Arguably those on a budget may be the same people most likely to use the cars as intended.
Not sure exactly where I come down on this, I'm just saying...
08-06-2013, 09:28 AM
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Funny enough I've owned about 10 Porsche's so far, but I've yet to buy a new one.
08-06-2013, 09:48 AM
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Lower depreciation would be nice, but it's not something that I count on or factor into purchases. My impression is that our Cayman R has had less depreciation than a Cayman S of the same year, but then we've really driven the thing - lots of miles, including lots of track miles - rather than trying to preserve it.
08-06-2013, 02:39 PM
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http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/06/t...int-car-crash/
08-06-2013, 03:56 PM
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You're an American - that was my point. Most non-Americans with money would never own an American car.
It would be even less likely that they would want to own a vulgar, gaudy, pig like the Corvette/Mustang/Viper.
You can argue performance-for-value and most would concede that point to the American cars. But to argue they are more desireable - keep dreaming.
They are, in reality, beyond undesireable outside of the US to the point that it is embarassing to be seen in one.
It would be even less likely that they would want to own a vulgar, gaudy, pig like the Corvette/Mustang/Viper.
You can argue performance-for-value and most would concede that point to the American cars. But to argue they are more desireable - keep dreaming.
They are, in reality, beyond undesireable outside of the US to the point that it is embarassing to be seen in one.