Corvette drivers are meat eaters, but I don't think he ordered this T-Bone.
08-05-2013, 06:54 PM
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If cost was a non-issue, I'd take the 991 GT3 over the Vette, but cost is an issue for most, including me. Especially when you consider the risks of wrecking a car at the track.
One thing the Vette does have going for it, though, is abundant torque across most of the rev range due to the big NA engine. Based on my experience with my AMG, there's no substitute for that, they call it 'muscle' for a reason.
As far as desirability outside the US, perhaps there's an image issue, which may take time to change. But if the Vette is great and people pass on it because of preconceptions or preoccupation with image, their loss.
One thing the Vette does have going for it, though, is abundant torque across most of the rev range due to the big NA engine. Based on my experience with my AMG, there's no substitute for that, they call it 'muscle' for a reason.
As far as desirability outside the US, perhaps there's an image issue, which may take time to change. But if the Vette is great and people pass on it because of preconceptions or preoccupation with image, their loss.
08-05-2013, 07:09 PM
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No doubt the Corvette is an incredible performance value. Certainly it is encouraging the direction they seem to be going in addressing the concerns of the market, as well. I think they could do wonders for perceptions if they offered a truly special variant based on their Le Mans cars, similar to what Pratt & Miller did. Just a thought.
You'd think they'd offer the race suspension geometry to their customers... I mean GM customers pay for the racing program, right?
08-05-2013, 09:06 PM
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Just read R&T article with Tony Stewart thrashing the new Corvette at MRC. Stewart is as enthusiastic as Sutcliffe was with his GT3 review expect that Stewart actually makes some intelligent observations about the Vette's handling. Looking better and better.
08-05-2013, 09:10 PM
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EOD, GT3 margins crush Vette margins so who's really taking their customer's to the cleaners? Just sayin'....
08-05-2013, 09:43 PM
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You're an American - that was my point. Most non-Americans with money would never own an American car.
It would be even less likely that they would want to own a vulgar, gaudy, pig like the Corvette/Mustang/Viper.
You can argue performance-for-value and most would concede that point to the American cars. But to argue they are more desireable - keep dreaming.
They are, in reality, beyond undesireable outside of the US to the point that it is embarassing to be seen in one.
It would be even less likely that they would want to own a vulgar, gaudy, pig like the Corvette/Mustang/Viper.
You can argue performance-for-value and most would concede that point to the American cars. But to argue they are more desireable - keep dreaming.
They are, in reality, beyond undesireable outside of the US to the point that it is embarassing to be seen in one.
Corvettes have been: great motors + bottom barrel suspension geometry = numb, uncommunicative driving experience happening fast.
Enough room in the back to carry a Barrett 82A1 in it's Pelican case, though. I know, I've done it.
It's just a shame about the suspension.
Enough room in the back to carry a Barrett 82A1 in it's Pelican case, though. I know, I've done it.
It's just a shame about the suspension.
If cost was a non-issue, I'd take the 991 GT3 over the Vette, but cost is an issue for most, including me. Especially when you consider the risks of wrecking a car at the track.
One thing the Vette does have going for it, though, is abundant torque across most of the rev range due to the big NA engine. Based on my experience with my AMG, there's no substitute for that, they call it 'muscle' for a reason.
As far as desirability outside the US, perhaps there's an image issue, which may take time to change. But if the Vette is great and people pass on it because of preconceptions or preoccupation with image, their loss.
One thing the Vette does have going for it, though, is abundant torque across most of the rev range due to the big NA engine. Based on my experience with my AMG, there's no substitute for that, they call it 'muscle' for a reason.
As far as desirability outside the US, perhaps there's an image issue, which may take time to change. But if the Vette is great and people pass on it because of preconceptions or preoccupation with image, their loss.
I don't agree, if the value would be the same outside the US it would change quickly.
No doubt the Corvette is an incredible performance value. Certainly it is encouraging the direction they seem to be going in addressing the concerns of the market, as well. I think they could do wonders for perceptions if they offered a truly special variant based on their Le Mans cars, similar to what Pratt & Miller did. Just a thought.
At 70-80K less ill start with the Corvette and keep my fingers and toes crossed for a manual RS. For now a CUP and Corvette seem like a good experiment.
08-05-2013, 10:08 PM
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Tony loves the Vette. Where is the healthy skepticism we see concerning the positive Porsche reports? Please refresh my memory, what brand of car does Smoke drive for his most lucrative day job?
08-05-2013, 10:31 PM
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08-05-2013, 10:59 PM
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At 2x the price, the burden of proof is on the GT3. It needs to be way better overall. But rest assured, the Vette will be plenty critiqued in days to come, by Vette guys, Porsche guys, et al.
08-05-2013, 11:22 PM
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08-05-2013, 11:39 PM
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But I thought we were talking about something different and more general; why Euro buyers don't buy American cars. I understood you to say it was because of price. I'm suggesting that given the fact that the 2014 Corvette is priced unusually competitively against the Carrera in the UK we might have a chance to find out if that's true.
08-05-2013, 11:42 PM
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Performance wise I understand what you're saying in specifically comparing those two.
But I thought we were talking about something different and more general; why Euro buyers don't buy American cars. I understood you to say it was because of price. I'm suggesting that given the fact that the 2014 Corvette is priced unusually competitively against the Carrera in the UK we might have a chance to find out if that's true.
But I thought we were talking about something different and more general; why Euro buyers don't buy American cars. I understood you to say it was because of price. I'm suggesting that given the fact that the 2014 Corvette is priced unusually competitively against the Carrera in the UK we might have a chance to find out if that's true.
08-06-2013, 12:01 AM
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I saw the new C7 and 991 GT3 right next to each other in person. There is no comparison when it comes to looks and build quality. Inside and out, the GT3 is better by far, and is the car I would rather have. Just based on seeing the cars in person.
08-06-2013, 12:06 AM
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