neanicu

I think the discussion shouldn't be about who's who,we all share the same passion here.
Also,I wouldn't even think of mentioning anything as to why a certain someone decided what to do with their money,that is their business and their business only.
My mere mention of the Kool-Aid was a general statement about blindly defending Porsche's decisions and tagging the critics as closed minded and being part of the " Manual Taliban ".
I certainly and seriously hope that when owners reviews start coming in,they won't be affected by the same Kool-Aid reasoning we're seeing now.

NJ-GT

Finally, the shifting speed of the PDK-S in Sport Mode: 100ms.

Mike in CA

People who defended the car consistently said that while the car looked great on paper, it was impossible to decide whether the car would be good or bad until it had been tested and driven. You remember the old "shut up and drive" discussion....

People who knocked the car did so even though they had no experience with it and no feedback from any independent reviewers.

Now that reviews and independent assessments are coming in, which position is being proven right?

Appreciate your POV, Nick, but at this point I don't think anyone is "blindly" doing anything. There's plenty of hard information out there now, and more to come.

As to owner's reviews, I seriously doubt that most critics will believe their feedback any more than they do CH's, Suttcliff's, Evo's, Car & Driver's, or that of any other review we've seen. Owners will simply be accused, as Macca so succinctly put it, of swallowing the "happy pill" and trying to justify their purchase. Referring to your own comment, who gets to decide whether owners are being "affected by the same Kool-Aid reasoning we're seeing now"? That's a setup for criticism for anyone who buys the car and then has positive things to say about it.

sunnyr

He was driving the car in auto mode, I asked him how come? And his answer was because it is faster.

On a side note, also in the video of Timo Kluck doing the 7.37 around the Nordschleife, he has the car in auto.

neanicu

Mike,I'm not in the position of criticizing anyone about their decision.
You have my word I will remain open minded about this car and I won't take owners positive reviews as ways to justify their purchase. I am looking forward to those reviews and I'll know at that point to differentiate a precise review from the rest.

GT3ZZZ

In the UK, most cheap cars are manual, you pay more for DCT (which is not an auto/slushbox). Old people like manuals because that's what they grew old with. They are most common on cheap small cars, the sort that old ladies drive to the supermarket. For the average Joe, there is nothing cool/macho/sporty about a manual, its just a cheaper, slower option.

Nizer

It's not a slushbox. It is an automatic.

Mike in CA

Fair enough, Nick. I'll try to be as honest as possible and not let you down.

GT3ZZZ

Of course, it will shift for you if you like. But it will disengage the clutch, shift gear and re-engage solely on your inputs if you prefer. It will bounce off the redline waiting for your input all night if you want. Have you ever tried a 458 or 12C?

neanicu

So we drive manuals because we're old and cheap
I've lived to hear this one...

frayed

I think he was talking about the UK market; notably different than the US market in terms of MT's deployment.

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Anyway, I know a lot of the naysayers here who have already discounted the initial reviews as hyperbole and biased, will also dismiss the early adopter reviews.

While I won't have my car until March-ish despite being no. 2 on my dealer's list, and after 6 manual 911s including both GT3 versions, if the car ends up boring to drive b/c of the loss of the manual, I'll sell it w/i three months of street driving and at least one weekend on Circuit of the Americas, and tell everyone here the reason (well, after I sell it, LOL).

I've cycled through other high end metal quickly in the past; no biggie really.

neanicu

In neither market that's true.

I really hope you won't have to sell it after 3 months and instead enjoying it a lot!
I'll be looking forward to your review!

frayed

Thanks Nick.

I give it 80/20 it will be epic, maybe a little higher. That top gear review was great IMO and really helps tip the scales in favor of it delivering completely as promised.

Larry Cable

I never doubted that this car would be "much better" than the 997.2 it superseded... so I think it delivered on that ... but did it deliver what I as a potential customer wanted ... nope ... the new car just delivers a different experience that I am less attracted to (in the absence of actually driving it)

I would imagine that it will win Evo eCoty ... as have many of its forebears ...

If I get the chance, I would love to drive one and see for myself what the experience is like 1st hand ...

stout

Ha.

Count me in with the old ladies. Sounds as if they know a thing or two the cool/macho/sporty boys don't.