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06-23-2013, 08:14 PM
#31
Someone else mentioned that the engine is already fully homologated. It can be used for 8 years after it stops appearing in any road car. Homologation doesn't expire with the end of production.
By the time it expires, I expect the 918 will take over and the GT3 will be like the GT2. Just a name for a car that isn't raced anymore.
By the time it expires, I expect the 918 will take over and the GT3 will be like the GT2. Just a name for a car that isn't raced anymore.
What I am getting at here is that:
1) The Cup car does not share the suspension geometry of the 991 GT3
2) The cup car does not share the rear steering system
3) The cup car does not share the PDK transmission
4) The cup car does not share the same shell, but does share the same core chassis (like every other 991 911)
5) And likely the cup car will have a motor that shares very little with the 991 GT3 except basic geometry and DFI.
If this is the case, then why are we talking about the cup car in a forum dedicated to car that shares little in common with the cup car...Now and in the future (though the .2 variant is wide open).
06-23-2013, 10:02 PM
#32
Race Director
06-24-2013, 08:30 AM
#33
9A1 engine was designed as a street engine. Mezger was designed as a race engine, namely for Le Mans in the GT1.
In 2016, there are going to be major rule change in WEC/ACO GT racing. There are some rumors that McLaren are exploring coming back into Le Mans. Still keep thinking that the 960/961 will be developed for top flight racing with the 911 used for SuperCup and GT3 motorsport.
06-24-2013, 08:43 AM
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Agree. That's why it's going to be interesting what happens in terms of the engine utilization post Mezger. Will it be the new 9a1 GT3 engine or something else (maybe the new 991 GT3 RS). In terms of efficiency, the 458 Italia was made to run with a smaller fuel tank in the WEC/ Le Mans. No question, DFI technology is important.
In 2016, there are going to be major rule change in WEC/ACO GT racing. There are some rumors that McLaren are exploring coming back into Le Mans. Still keep thinking that the 960/961 will be developed for top flight racing with the 911 used for SuperCup and GT3 motorsport.
In 2016, there are going to be major rule change in WEC/ACO GT racing. There are some rumors that McLaren are exploring coming back into Le Mans. Still keep thinking that the 960/961 will be developed for top flight racing with the 911 used for SuperCup and GT3 motorsport.
As you said, regulations will change a lot, realistically, besides now the win at 24h Le Mans, the 911 platform is not so good for racing. If a new platform 960 is developpped anyway (however, not officially confimed yet) why not use this one. For this new platform, neither the new 991 GT3 engine nor the Mezger engine are a viable solution. Which leaves us with which option? Not difficult to guess I would say.
It also means what you said before..the 911 will disappear from racing..except for the CUP Cars..they are still a profitable business..I would have nothing against that. But in the end its a "partial dismantling" of the GT3 icon. But that already happened with the 991 GT3...
One thing is for sure, if there will be a 960, the 991 GT3 engine wont be its engine. Thats why I guess Porsche will develep an new DFI engine for the 991 RSR that could be used 1 year later for a 960. From what I heard..its not a 6 Cylinder..
06-24-2013, 08:45 AM
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Porsche keeps talking about a new motor, so let's assume there will be one. Will it be homologated in the GT3, or something else?
What I am getting at here is that:
1) The Cup car does not share the suspension geometry of the 991 GT3
2) The cup car does not share the rear steering system
3) The cup car does not share the PDK transmission
4) The cup car does not share the same shell, but does share the same core chassis (like every other 991 911)
5) And likely the cup car will have a motor that shares very little with the 991 GT3 except basic geometry and DFI.
If this is the case, then why are we talking about the cup car in a forum dedicated to car that shares little in common with the cup car...Now and in the future (though the .2 variant is wide open).
What I am getting at here is that:
1) The Cup car does not share the suspension geometry of the 991 GT3
2) The cup car does not share the rear steering system
3) The cup car does not share the PDK transmission
4) The cup car does not share the same shell, but does share the same core chassis (like every other 991 911)
5) And likely the cup car will have a motor that shares very little with the 991 GT3 except basic geometry and DFI.
If this is the case, then why are we talking about the cup car in a forum dedicated to car that shares little in common with the cup car...Now and in the future (though the .2 variant is wide open).
06-24-2013, 09:15 AM
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Im pretty sure the suspension geometry has to be the same for the most part regarding pickup points and such. Not sure how rws affects that though or if porsche got a waiver.
06-24-2013, 09:38 AM
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Porsche keeps talking about a new motor, so let's assume there will be one. Will it be homologated in the GT3, or something else?
What I am getting at here is that:
1) The Cup car does not share the suspension geometry of the 991 GT3
2) The cup car does not share the rear steering system
3) The cup car does not share the PDK transmission
4) The cup car does not share the same shell, but does share the same core chassis (like every other 991 911)
5) And likely the cup car will have a motor that shares very little with the 991 GT3 except basic geometry and DFI.
If this is the case, then why are we talking about the cup car in a forum dedicated to car that shares little in common with the cup car...Now and in the future (though the .2 variant is wide open).
What I am getting at here is that:
1) The Cup car does not share the suspension geometry of the 991 GT3
2) The cup car does not share the rear steering system
3) The cup car does not share the PDK transmission
4) The cup car does not share the same shell, but does share the same core chassis (like every other 991 911)
5) And likely the cup car will have a motor that shares very little with the 991 GT3 except basic geometry and DFI.
If this is the case, then why are we talking about the cup car in a forum dedicated to car that shares little in common with the cup car...Now and in the future (though the .2 variant is wide open).
06-27-2013, 03:29 PM
#38
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Reliability and power on the track are a function of the rules and the ruling body interpretations that make the races interesting. Porsche knows that, like the old chassis, the Metzger engine is at the end of life and not viable for the future, so it's thank you, goodbye and good running for enthusiasts but not pros. Reviews of the new GT3, by folks with vastly more seat time and knowledge than forum posters, indicate strongly that it won't be missed at all.
