the_vetman

That, I don't know.

mike2727

You call it whining, I call it calling Porsche out to do something they should have done when they launched the 991 C2

They f'd up no excuse possible

Mike

Mike in CA

We're apparently talking about government regulations here, and we all know how smoothly they work. There are still negotiations going on, for example, between NHTSA and Congress to decide whether rear cameras will be mandated for all cars for 2014 and the decision has already been delayed a couple of times for more "study". Who knows what the changes for seat testing were and when they were finalized. Seems like we'd need to know that before we can place blame. But there I go being all logical again when being emotional and ranting on speculation is so much more fun.....

orthojoe

Drives me nuts. That all came about because a mom accidentally backed over her own kid and killed her. Tragedy for sure, but in typical fashion, it's never the fault of the operator. It's always someone else's fault. What happens when everyone has rear cameras and then some kid still gets run over because the driver wasn't looking at the view screen? It's a never ending cycle. Cars will end up like homer simpson vehicles before long...

the_vetman

Whaatttt?!!? Is this right?? Pardon my french, but are you f'ing kidding me???

Yes, surely a tragedy, but it sounds to me like the mom helped evolution along by eliminating her genes from the general pool!!

Seriously? Sue because your child is dead from cars not having back-up cameras?? So it needs to be mandated in ALL cars for EVERYONE??

This is why I hate our society. And stupid people.

(rant off) Sorry, back to our regularly scheduled programming... (that really hit a nerve)

LateBrake911

Trying to guess difficulty of getting a US 991 GT3. Porsche Pres says there wil be 'Very High Level of Cars' Help!!





At 1:18 seconds:
Q: How many do you expect to import into the US ?
'A: 10% of 911.. so very high level of cars.

My calc -> ~800. Hmm. Trying to ge my first gt3 finally after 8 yrs of saving. Does this mean it will be relatively possible to get one
E.G.looks like in 2009 for the first year of MKII 3.8 they sent 360 to US. How hard was it to get one that year

Guessing 800 as a rough start.. ???
based on Press Release from Porsche : ~8,000 911's in 2012
http://press.porsche.com/news/release.php?id=751


Wow.. that seems like a lot relative to the 360 mk II 3.8 that came out in the first year (360)
http://www.gt3rsregistry.com/docs/HowMany.htm

orthojoe

I wish I was kidding. The story is actually more tragic when you learn that the child that died had just survived a serious disease and narrowly escaped death in the hospital only to die at the hands of mom.

Don't get me started on responsibility and accountability. I can't tell you how many serious injuries I've seen from people mistaking the throttle for the brake pedal. This was YEARS before whole toyota debacle... (and they weren't driving toyotas)

MaxLTV

Totally should do that!

StirlingMoss

I call it whining because some members automatically assumed it was within the control from Porsche. This assumption was based on speculation and fuelled itself into highly creative conspiracy theories about the car not being "bullet proof", not being suited for track driving, not being suited to US drivers, not wanted by US dealers, back stabbed by PCNA, etc, etc, etc.

orthojoe

If you don't whine or make a stink, people will ignore you and assume everything is ok. Who am I kidding, Porsche will ignore you anyway....

Seriously, though, Porsche could NOT have been surprised about new regulations. They had adequate time to prepare. They just decided it wasn't worth the time/effort. Probably because dealers told them it wasn't worth the time/effort. By in large, they were probably right because nobody rose a stink when the boxster, boxster S, Carrera, C2S, C4, C4S, cayman, and Cayman S were released without buckets in the US when they were available everywhere else. It wasn't until the GT3 was released that the villagers started to become restless and now we finally have some progress.... hopefully

StirlingMoss

Yes, but this is again speculation. You could also speculate that Porsche was caught out by changing US regulations and ended up with the choice of either (a.) postponing the worldwide presentation of the 991 GT3 until sorted or (b.) initially don't offer bucket seats in the US.

Until we have the facts, we don't know

Dr.Bill

My dealer received information from PCNA that 500 cars would be imported. I'm not sure if that is 500 2014 cars or 500 total. They will be allocated by sales volume. For example, if your dealer is responsible for 1% of Porsche sales in America, they will get 1% of the 500 cars, or 5 991 GT3's. So, find a high-volume dealer for the best chance.

Z356

Stirling, just a word of caution. We know the picturesque chalet where you live. We know the type of Müesli you eat in the morning and the Emmentaler you nibble at lunch. We know the exact Lindt & Sprüngli factory where you work at. Don't mess with 'the usual suspects' 'cause we have ways to deal with critics via our connection with the Albanian Mafia you guys all fear in CH (Confœderatio Helvetica)!



Braking News!

Detlev von Platen at the NY Auto Show:

'Some of our customers taking this car to the race(s)...emotion factor (high) with PDK...absolutely (purists will be won over!)...this is a car you drive on racetrack, you can drive tomorrow to Daytona, having fun 24 hours, and then coming home on the street, that is what we are famous for...closest bridge between a street car in our portfolio and a race car!'

So that is it, folks. You heard it here first. For Detlev's sake, I hope that 'bridge' is not the one at Arhem!

http://live.wsj.com/video/porsche-ce...E-33D223FE4D7E

By the way, he expects in MY2014 that approx. 10% of all 991's sold in the US will be 991 gt3's!

Saludos,
Eduardo

StirlingMoss

Glad you are on top of things

Mike in CA

I agree regarding personal responsibility and legislating to the lowest common denominator. To be fair, though, this isn't about 1 kid; something like 2500 children injured and 100 fatalities a year nationwide in backing accidents. The question, as you suggest, is how much good backup cameras would do if people don't choose to pay attention anyway. Some accidents would probably be avoided but is it enough to legislate for?