lordpantsington

Not 991 Questions, but
What is the Coefficient of Lift (front and rear) of the 996.2 GT3?
What is the range of angle of attack (relative to horizontal) for the rear wing of a 997.1 GT3 Cup?

911rox

Will the 991 GT3 be gracing youtube's most watched with further videos of CL failures or have they "really" fixed them as in "no scheduled replacement every 7000km" kind of fixed?

Why persist with technology that provides no tangible benefits yet introduces significant increase in risk and possibility for failure? That is CLs...

Now that Porsche are done providing a GT car for the masses, any chance of them providing at least one variant for their loyal track enthusiasts who don't demand a cushy, wing deleted, Burmester equiped four seater track weapon? Just something lighter, faster and robust without all the bells and whistles of the gimmick world....

Nizer

Why?

mike2727

One more question;

How much weight is the 90 liter fuel tank option going to add (of course measured without fuel) and does this alter the frunk capacity. ?


Thanks
Mike

outline

Based on the 996 and 997, very little in terms of dry weight, the tank is only plastic after all and zero difference in frunk capacity.

mike2727

Cool thanks

Mike

Z356

Back on 2/26/13, I reported that Porsche is indeed working on a redesigned 'sport bucket seat':

"I believe PAG & Recaro are both working on an adjustable kind of sport bucket seat that can be raised, lowered and tilted, so as to adapt to the different heights/body type of drivers. But that is not yet ready. It will be for sure available by the time they bring out the 960 FeFi and possibly the .2 editions of the 991 gt3's down the road! It will be a less expensive & simpler version of the expected 918 Spyder 'sport bucket seats' which will have all of those adjustment capabilities!" See post #574:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...d-news-39.html

Regardless recent info given by anonymous sources to Mdrums, I am sure that the expensive 918 Spyder seats will not be employed in the 991 gt3 or gt3 RS! For sure Porsche is working on an improved 'sport bucket seat' for the entire 991/981 line that will have MORE adjustments than current 'gt2' type. But I don't believe that is the reason for not offering a 'sport bucket' on the MY2014 991 gt3 in the US!

What you are suggesting is plausible but not probable. PAG and PCNA have a time-tested method they use to announce a 'delay offering' on any option that will appear months after the start of series production. For example, they will list the option (say 'sport bucket seat') & its order code, then explained 'Delayed availability until Feb. 15, 2014 production'. Similarly, if they were to be about ready to introduce a revised 'sport bucket seat', they would have also given the European & ROW markets some news of that and when it would be available! There is no 'buzz' about a revised 'sport bucket seats' at present in those markets. They expect the current gt2 type buckets to be continued as the sole bucket option for MY2014 991 gt3's, 991's and 981's in Europe & ROW!

Porsche is an experienced marketing company...no one doubts that for a minute! If they wanted to give the US gt3 faithful 'hope' that a 'sport bucket seat' might be offered soon, they would have already found a way to inform us of that! But it has been just the opposite. PCNA has categorically stated that there will be NO 'sport bucket seats' for MY2014 991 gt3. Those statements seem to me unambiguous, explicit and direct! I wish what you are saying is true...but I frankly don't think so! But what do I know? I thought for sure the gt2 buckets would be offered from 'the-get-go' on the 991 gt3 in the US market! And I can assure you Detlev von Platen doesn't have my number on speed-dial!

I am not expecting him to answer my question in any meaningful way. You are correct on that!

Saludos,
Eduardo

mike2727

I want AP to just be straight, is there a bucket seat option coming for the 991 GT3, if so when ?

That is all that needs to be answered

Mike

Mike in CA

My friend, the only other explanation I've heard for this snafu so far is that PCNA and the lawyers have cooked up some nefarious plot to keep 991 GT3's off the track. On the face of it that seems silly; if it were true why would sport buckets have been offered in the US in the past, and why will they certainly be offered again in the near future? The car is available everywhere else in the world with track oriented options; Porsche clearly considers it capable in that environment.

In my mind it is far more likely that US certification, development, and timing issues are responsible for this seat thing than some conspiracy theory! My wager; the RS will be available with a new style sport bucket when it debuts a short time after the first GT3 deliveries begin, and this new bucket will be available, or retrofittable to the GT3, not too long after that. Here's a chance for you to recoup your losses on that ill fated GT2 bucket advice!

Best,

StirlingMoss

+1

Larry Cable

that's my suspicion too!

Larry Cable

+1

I think of them as "fanny paddles"

Larry Cable

if you look at the UK car configurator you will see that the sports bucket is available as an option or as part of the clubsport pkg ...

Z356

Nefarious signifies something criminal, wicked or evil. That is not what is being suggested. Instead, you can interpret their tactic of not offering 'sport bucket seats' in the US market as prudent, rational and wise business decision based on the best advice of PCNA's lawyers and their awareness of recent defects (e.g. CL's) in some of their models.

I could accuse you too of sounding 'silly' with your devoted defense of Porsche and their suppose infallibility re: these 'defect' issues. But I will not bring myself to do it... since I respect you and your views!

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...ew-recall.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...onversion.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...-registry.html

PCNA (and PAG at the time) was not aware back then that certain parts of the 997 gt3, gt3 RS, gt2 RS and others would have the issues (e.g. CL) that they have experienced! Had they foreseen it, I doubt they would have allowed the 'sport bucket seats' to be offered on the 997 US models!

They will be offered again in the US when PCNA is certain that the vehicle in which they are offered does no longer posed a liability to them in repeated recreational DE use at the track (not racing!).

This country has some of the more onerous tort & liability laws in the world and an oversupply of lawyers that will be happy to apply them to Porsche in case of an accident involving injuries or deaths.

Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.

Your original wager was that the new style sport bucket would debut just a few months after the first 991 gt3's were to be delivered in the US (see below). Now you have apparently hedged your bet and suggest it will come when the RS is introduced! Well, the 991 gt3 RS will not be introduced into this market until at least Fall of 2014 as a MY2015, maybe 9 months or one year after the 991 gt3 starts arriving & begin deliveries in our market!

I have also posted that I expect some sort of 'Sport Bucket Seats' on the US 991 gt3 RS when it arrives...if all goes well. It's all about this model being 'bullet proof', not some bureaucratic issue with certification. As others have said, they could have certified the gt2 seat for the MY2014 991 gt3 in the US had they wanted to...and done it very easily!

No, I lost that bet fair & square. But I have carefully studied Porsche's recent announcements and I am pessimistic that we will see a 'sport bucket seat' option on the MY2014 US 991 gt3! I hope you and others (e.g. Stirling Moss) are right...and we get them sooner. Time will tell! But we are still on for drinks at my house during your visit to Carmel at the Historics! The beers are on me!

My advise to anyone intent in buying a 991 gt3 in the US is to seriously consider postponing their purchase until the MY2015 model is introduced! It will take at least one year of testing and warranty experience for Porsche & the public to see if the so-called improvements on the CL fixed the issues! And that no significant problems arise with the 'new' DFI gt3 engine, rear wheel steering and the rest of the innovations offered on this new model! Even if you don't elect to go for the 'RS' model, I believe the MY2015 base gt3 will be the one to aim for! If the engineering proves solid, we will see a 'sport bucket' offered on both the MY2015 gt3 and RS. It will also be when the PTS window is probably open for this base gt3 model. Again, my dos centavos, for what it's worth!

Saludos,
Eduardo

stevecolletti

Sure, leave the seats out, but keep the CLs - that's 'the fix'. I wouldn't have believed that would be considered, but it seems like it is.

That's assuming the new car is tracked as often and as hard as the old ones have been - it's obvious that Porsche's testing didn't catch the CL issue.

Sad, but I think you're right, Eduardo.