Projected Hockenheim Lap time
03-23-2013, 01:21 AM
#46
I am the OP and yes I saw it in another forum, so no guarantees. Having said that, I been participating in that forum for few years now and that guy who posted it is been pretty reliable - he is always the first one to post German magazine test results and scans soon after. So I would not be surprised the least bit if the time is mentioned in the April issue of Sport Auto. Here is what he further said about it -
Just passing along what I read, not trying to deliberately disinform or mislead anyone.
Just passing along what I read, not trying to deliberately disinform or mislead anyone.
03-23-2013, 06:12 AM
#47
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
He posted a scan -
03-23-2013, 02:43 PM
#49
Race Director
My German is spotty but I see the words "prognostizierten Rundenzeiten" in there which I believe means "forecast lap times", ie this may be a prediction rather than an actual time.
03-23-2013, 02:53 PM
#51
Race Director
03-23-2013, 03:11 PM
#52
No doubt Porsche has a ton of laps at various circuits and their computers can project all the various models to derive a carefully arranged pecking order to politely position each new model in their prescribed pricing tiers.
From the way Preuninger positioned the 991 GT3 as all-round better than the RS 4.0, he left little room for the new GT3 to be slower than the 4.0.
I'm looking forward to setting up the 991 GT3 to be equivalent to the RS 3.8 and driving the two back to back at local playgrounds. The data comparison should be telling. Even if I drive both at "survivable" limits, it's easy to set aside those segments and see all the good bits (apex speeds, segment times, peaks, etc.) Then it's time to put a heart rate monitor on and see which of the two leaves me exhausted with my adrenal gland completely dehydrated.
03-23-2013, 03:19 PM
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Three Wheelin'
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03-23-2013, 03:39 PM
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03-23-2013, 07:02 PM
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I could be wrong, but from what I read, 997 was still fundamentally a 996 chassis/platform wise, so big performance improvement in 997.1 vs 996 was probably expecting too much. But on the other hand 991 is chassis wise a big step up from 997, again from what I read n reviews etc, so the car could be fundamentally faster than a 997 even with out the advantage of a faster tire. Also the power gap between 997.2GT3 and 991GT3 is bigger than the one between 996.2GT3 and 997.1 GT3.
AP has stated that every shift is worth .5-.75 car lengths over a manual. He's also stated that the "real" HP for the new GT3 is...last number I heard was 496. So essentially the same as the 4.0 RS.
I think an interesting exercise would be to convert car lengths into avg time saved per shift and then back out a theoretical best Ring lap vs 4.0 RS based on avg number of shifts per lap. I suspect it'll be quite a bit better than what's being quoted, which supports Rad's point that you can't cheat physics.
I think an interesting exercise would be to convert car lengths into avg time saved per shift and then back out a theoretical best Ring lap vs 4.0 RS based on avg number of shifts per lap. I suspect it'll be quite a bit better than what's being quoted, which supports Rad's point that you can't cheat physics.
See below for details.
Guys,
Different cars, but ....
996TT with 420WHP and 3500lbs aprox, and GT-R with 4000lbs ++ and 520WHP and DCT.
I'm driving the 996TT, just take a look at the difference when we start at 2nd gear... and than with 3rd gear...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHK3q2M9UwU
Different cars, but ....
996TT with 420WHP and 3500lbs aprox, and GT-R with 4000lbs ++ and 520WHP and DCT.
I'm driving the 996TT, just take a look at the difference when we start at 2nd gear... and than with 3rd gear...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHK3q2M9UwU
03-23-2013, 07:30 PM
#58
Three Wheelin'
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03-23-2013, 07:56 PM
#59
Race Director
Maybe worth .5 car lengths when he's driving, but not for skilled drivers.
Eddie, I've been saying this for years, and posting videos of it, but seems that reality has no place in the fine world of magazine bench racing brought to you by "Vehicle Manufacturers Propaganda R US
Eddie, I've been saying this for years, and posting videos of it, but seems that reality has no place in the fine world of magazine bench racing brought to you by "Vehicle Manufacturers Propaganda R US
You can reference all of the homemade videos you like, that just seems incredibly unlikely; no, unbelieveable.
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03-23-2013, 09:06 PM
#60
Nordschleife Master
It takes 300-400ms for a human to blink their eye, yet you suggest that a skilled driver can shift 4 times faster than that, ie as fast as PDK or other DCT can shift, every time. Moreover, every upshift the skilled driver makes must be a perfect power shift to match the uninterupted power delivery of PDK, and every downshift must be a perfectly executed as well.
You can reference all of the homemade videos you like, that just seems incredibly unlikely; no, unbelieveable.
You can reference all of the homemade videos you like, that just seems incredibly unlikely; no, unbelieveable.
