Ferrari F1 vs new version PDK?
03-17-2013, 04:57 PM
#16
Burning Brakes
The Pagani Huayra - single clutch - must be getting close as well....~1000 NM and a 96 kg transmission...and from EVO "such is the Huayra’s stability that very quickly you use Sport mode as the default setting. This reduces shift times to a scarcely believable 20 milliseconds, further improves throttle response...."
03-17-2013, 05:14 PM
#17
PDK, F1, whatever the name it is a way to replace seeking excellence with measuring time.
Living well is fundamentally about excellence.
Use fishing as an analog;
PDK = bobber and super bait with a spinning reel on a casting rod.
Manual = fly rod with a dry fly on a 3 weight in crystal clear water.
Gonna catch A LOT more fish with the first example... but there is excellence only with the second example.
Living well is fundamentally about excellence.
Use fishing as an analog;
PDK = bobber and super bait with a spinning reel on a casting rod.
Manual = fly rod with a dry fly on a 3 weight in crystal clear water.
Gonna catch A LOT more fish with the first example... but there is excellence only with the second example.
03-17-2013, 05:52 PM
#18
Use fishing as an analog;
PDK = bobber and super bait with a spinning reel on a casting rod.
Manual = fly rod with a dry fly on a 3 weight in crystal clear water.
Gonna catch A LOT more fish with the first example... but there is excellence only with the second example.
PDK = bobber and super bait with a spinning reel on a casting rod.
Manual = fly rod with a dry fly on a 3 weight in crystal clear water.
Gonna catch A LOT more fish with the first example... but there is excellence only with the second example.
PDK = mammals
Manual = dinosaurs
We all know what happened to the dinosaurs...
03-17-2013, 07:23 PM
#19
Nordschleife Master
Doc. It is true what you say. There will be no manual GT car by the end of the 991 model run. The turbo and GT2 will be PDK only as well. Within a few years like you say it will become normal. Like water cooled is now. This is why I believe Porsche will not offer manual and PDK-S - it totally defeats the point of taking this path. Then we will be talking about electric hybrid GT cars in horror. The world turns and life goes on. I don't hear any F car owners complain about the 458 Italia...
03-17-2013, 10:56 PM
#20
03-18-2013, 12:13 AM
#22
The Pagani Huayra - single clutch - must be getting close as well....~1000 NM and a 96 kg transmission...and from EVO "such is the Huayra’s stability that very quickly you use Sport mode as the default setting. This reduces shift times to a scarcely believable 20 milliseconds, further improves throttle response...."
03-18-2013, 04:51 AM
#23
Burning Brakes
03-24-2013, 02:07 PM
#24
Some choices in life are soooooooo difficult
03-24-2013, 02:17 PM
#25
Race Director
03-26-2013, 12:55 AM
#26
Rennlist Member
I personally prefer the feel and most importantly lower weight of the ingle clutch automated clutch manuals (still a manual because you "manually" can select any gear you choose). PDK and double clutch are becoming the preferred choice only because they work better as full automatic (mode) and do better in Fuel Economy tests (in auto mode).
If companies were building track/race cars from scratch with disregard for Auto mode, they will certainly all come to single clutch automated solution (the RSR, and all GTE cars already are).
03-26-2013, 02:11 AM
#27
Race Director
Never owned a single clutch automanual and I'm unfamiliar with that capability. How is manual gear selection with a single clutch different from PDK in manual mode, for example?
03-26-2013, 12:10 PM
#29
Single clutch vs dual clutch really is just about speed and everything that follows that. Single clutch is very violent given that the slack in the drivetrain is allowed to unwind and then torques up again, resulting in neck snapping gear changes under power. I That's about it in manual mode.
In auto mode, single clutch is terrible - the unexpected disruption in power flow lead to driver head bobbing.
Overall, single is more of an experince...and I can see why Toyota left it in the lfa.
03-26-2013, 04:42 PM
#30
Race Director
Thanks, but my specific question was in response to the statement by cgomez that with a single clutch automanual it was still a "manual" because "you could manually select any gear your choose". Is a single single clutch manual somehow different in that respect from PDK in manual mode?