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Old 03-16-2013, 01:50 PM
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And many like me are willing to step up for the new metal. . . . it brings up the natural question:

Scud

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991 GT3

I've stayed away from the scud b/c of the flappy paddles, but once going down the slippery slope of the new 991 GT3, it seems a natural question. Of course the comparison is conjecture since nobody who can chime in to any of these threads has actually driven the new GT3.

I'm not as concerned with laptimes, as both cars offer performance I will not tap into, it's more about the overall ownership experience. 4-6 track weekends/year, and weekend/nice weather street driving.

I've had two 997's. The loaded up 997S launch car and the 997.1 GT3. Both fantastic metal (and in some ways I preferred the 997S on the street), but since I've been there, I'm much more interested in the 991. Mainly for its improved chassis.
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The scud is an amazing car- but I didn't like it for nice weekend driving. It's made for the track, and extremely fun on track. Problem is- what happens if/when things break. Very expensive to replace
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:07 PM
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Its interesting you mention the manual is dead because for the longest time I just ordered whatever was available in MT and didn't really look elsewhere. Its the main reason every sedan I have had has been a BMW 5/M5 and my sports cars have been Porsches. Over the last 2 years work has gotten better I have been able to afford nicer cars but the options of MT are get smaller and smaller. I have my name on the list for a 991GT3 but I am also testing the C2S, C4S, and the R8 all in MT. Don't know if I am ready to give up the 3rd pedal just yet hehe.
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It would be nice to see the mclaren p13 with a manual, but that won't happen. I'm hopeful the RS will have manual.
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The RS is unlikely to have a manual Im afraid. You are witnessing a paradigm shift. It started with M5 and N GTR and like years ago and now look at the P13.

We made numbers important when we voted with our wallets. Now they give us those numbers at the expense of the organic contributes we didn't make important and we complain to late.

The PDK in the 991 GT3 will be the first I have considered in a road car. However every F car owner Ive spoken to with a late model 458 or scud really love their "F1" trannys. Many of these guys are pretty handy behind the wheel having raced in the past Porsche and Astons.

I cant help but think the 991 GT3 will be a much more cost effective and sensible entry into the new wold of dual clutch only sports cars. The F car is wonderful & beautiful but more fragile and expensive to buy & keep...
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I am tending to think lighter is better. Also I don't want to go more expensive then a GT3 which has jumped almost up 30k from the 997.2 here in Canada. So I am still thinking in 997.2 pricing and won't go more.

If I have to go pdk I might as well go and get an electric car. All the Telsa roadsters are sold out though.
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:31 PM
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Jumper. Keep your money in your pocket mate. All Porsche GT cars will be electric hybrid within 10 years mark my words. Their competitors are already forcing them this way. The 918 and 960 will be good examples. Dont budget on any worth MT cars from Porsche for your money here on in. If you cant wait 10 years for an electric Porsche in your budget then get yourself a nice 3.8RS today.

I said from the beginning is Porsche offered a manual AND a PDK 991 GT3 I would be less inclined to buy it. Offering a choice on something as critical as the drive train configuration was in my mind far worse than offering one option only - regardless of what it was (although like many i was 99% sure we were talking PDK only as far back at September last year). Im glad they gave us one choice only and Im fine with that choice being PDK (would have rather t was MT only), actually Im quite pleased to be being dragged into the 21st Century and really looking forward to understanding this new tech since being in the "dark ages" (long term air cooled guy with most modern owned car being 996.1 GT3!)
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Originally Posted by Macca View Post
Jumper. Keep your money in your pocket mate. All Porsche GT cars will be electric hybrid within 10 years mark my words. Their competitors are already forcing them this way. The 918 and 960 will be good examples. Dont budget on any worth MT cars from Porsche for your money here on in. If you cant wait 10 years for an electric Porsche in your budget then get yourself a nice 3.8RS today.

I said from the beginning is Porsche offered a manual AND a PDK 991 GT3 I would be less inclined to buy it. Offering a choice on something as critical as the drive train configuration was in my mind far worse than offering one option only - regardless of what it was (although like many i was 99% sure we were talking PDK only as far back at September last year). Im glad they gave us one choice only and Im fine with that choice being PDK (would have rather t was MT only), actually Im quite pleased to be being dragged into the 21st Century and really looking forward to understanding this new tech since being in the "dark ages" (long term air cooled guy with most modern owned car being 996.1 GT3!)
3.8 RS is what I thinking to stay with the Porsche marque. I have a lot more options otherwise for much cheaper but then I think why not just trailer an old 996 cup to the track.
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Thats a great idea for everyone complaining about the direction of automotive tech and the future of transmissions. The MT will not win against progress but anyone can go and buy a 996 Cup car cheaply (only around 50k usd in our country now) and have a damn good time for very little outlay....
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Originally Posted by jumper5836 View Post
3.8 RS is what I thinking to stay with the Porsche marque. I have a lot more options otherwise for much cheaper but then I think why not just trailer an old 996 cup to the track.
No warranty and parts are becoming hard to get
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR View Post
No warranty and parts are becoming hard to get
Ya, but these engines were built to be rebuild easily and very easy to drop a 997 cup engine it in if you had to. Need a trust worthy and friendly mechanic.
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Hmm. I guess I could buy a daily driver and just pay for arrive and drive service for races and DE..

It's safer. Ill think about it.
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR View Post
Hmm. I guess I could buy a daily driver and just pay for arrive and drive service for races and DE..

It's safer. Ill think about it.
Thing is a 2400 lbs manual GT3 cup @only 80% will kill the DE pdk boys with their 991's that need cl hubs every 5k, rotors brake pads. Only the badly driven sequential 997 cups will be any fun to play with.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:12 PM
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Jumper. Actually I hate to disagree because I think a 996.2 GT3 Cup car for 50k with the correct suspension settings etc would be so much more fun to drive, but I daresay the same moderately skilled driver would be faster in the 991 GT3 out of the box than the 1100 Kg Cup car well set up. That said the work required in the 996.2 GT3 would mean you would get out of the car covered in sweat, heart pounding and feeling very rewarded.

I think in part this is where the 4.0 GT3 crowd are a bit miffed with the new 991 GT3. It threatens to match the performance metrics of the 4.0 for less outlay and open these up to a much wider (and less skilled) audience. I understand that having spent years learning to be better at things like heel/toe. The 4.0 GT3 boys don't have to worry though - they have the last of the new old skool and a car that will probably appreciate down stream noticeably like the other RS greats.

I run my 993 against much more modern and higher HP machinery in our Targa (similar concept to Mille Migla). 1000km of closed public road stages with no speed limit and 2000km touring in between. I get out trembling with a smile at the end of a hard stage. The guy with the late model modified WRX STI gets out with a smile. The guy with the 2010 Nissan GTR w/ clutch gets out with no tremble and not a big a smile. He didn't even turn the air con off LOL!
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and he was on the phone, taking order for 10 pallets of dog food.
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