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03-07-2013, 03:22 PM
#17
Faster than a GT3 Cup, much higher quality, 70% lower running cost. No compromise design (single-seat). No ABS/PASM/PSM, or power steering/brakes = pure analog experience. 1200 lbs vs 3500 lbs. True race car parts and construction. It's a no-brainer for a real enthusiast who loves to track and has a basic level of driving skill.
Forgot, current lead time to delivery is approx 12 months...
They are deeply backordered.
03-07-2013, 04:08 PM
#19
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Two ways this goes:
1) they're backordered for months and hence won't be available for early deliveries (this makes sense as PAG doesn't give a hoot about the US and probably only told PCNA about the car last week).
2) Sport Buckets are only going to be offered on the RS (thus increasing the "yawning divide" between the standard GT3 and the RS).
1) they're backordered for months and hence won't be available for early deliveries (this makes sense as PAG doesn't give a hoot about the US and probably only told PCNA about the car last week).
2) Sport Buckets are only going to be offered on the RS (thus increasing the "yawning divide" between the standard GT3 and the RS).
The other possibility is that the sport buckets were such a PITA for dealers' inventory, that they lobbied PCNA to not make them available.
03-07-2013, 05:26 PM
#20
Three Wheelin'
Contact Shinoo at Sector111 the US distributor, there are some variables. Roughly the same price as an optioned 991 GT3.
Faster than a GT3 Cup, much higher quality, 70% lower running cost. No compromise design (single-seat). No ABS/PASM/PSM, or power steering/brakes = pure analog experience. 1200 lbs vs 3500 lbs. True race car parts and construction. It's a no-brainer for a real enthusiast who loves to track and has a basic level of driving skill.
Forgot, current lead time to delivery is approx 12 months... They are deeply backordered.
Faster than a GT3 Cup, much higher quality, 70% lower running cost. No compromise design (single-seat). No ABS/PASM/PSM, or power steering/brakes = pure analog experience. 1200 lbs vs 3500 lbs. True race car parts and construction. It's a no-brainer for a real enthusiast who loves to track and has a basic level of driving skill.
Forgot, current lead time to delivery is approx 12 months...
They are deeply backordered.
03-07-2013, 05:31 PM
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I get ~$154k for a car with adjustable seats, good headlights and the mandatory new monster/oversize PCCB (the steels won't hold up for more than a couple track days with this heavy beast).
Boulevard Cruiser Extraordinaire. But this is no track car. Give up the dream, them's the facts. Hope for the best when the RS spec is released.
Marketing guys won...
Boulevard Cruiser Extraordinaire. But this is no track car. Give up the dream, them's the facts. Hope for the best when the RS spec is released.
Marketing guys won...
03-07-2013, 05:58 PM
#22
Race Director
You may be right about supply shortage, but there may also be NHTSA issues. The sport buckets have passed in the past, as they were either standard or optional on all 987.2 and 997.2 models, but perhaps there are new standards that they have either failed to pass or have not been tested for yet. It is not like Porsche to leave money on the table in the form of options, and it appears that the US is the only market where they are unavailable on all 981 and 991 models.
The other possibility is that the sport buckets were such a PITA for dealers' inventory, that they lobbied PCNA to not make them available.
The other possibility is that the sport buckets were such a PITA for dealers' inventory, that they lobbied PCNA to not make them available.
03-07-2013, 05:59 PM
#23
Knowledge is knowing how to do something, wisdom is knowing not to. It's not gran'paw's kitcar, that I assure you
Shinoo is in process of making his street legal, so it can be done.
Not sure I get your point. It is within 5% of the previous model based on US curb weights, and in real life it may be even closer because now the curb weight number includes more of the stuff that was added by many owners on the previous car. The brakes are supposed to be better (bigger, and better cooling), so that should compensate for 5% weight increase, is that not right? Or was the previous model a boulevard cruiser with subpar brakes as well, and you just hoped for a radical departure with this one?
Correct, the previous model did have deficient (sub-par, whatever wording you like) brakes for those of us who are serious trackers. Review my posts over the past three years for detail, substantiation, and how I put my money where my mouth was (multiple times). The new model's PCCB 410mm monsters are proof of my multi-year contention. They sure as hell didn't upgrade so massively for the fun of it, yes?
03-07-2013, 06:01 PM
#24
Race Director
Not sure I get your point. It is within 5% of the previous model based on US curb weights, and in real life it may be even closer because now the curb weight number includes more of the stuff that was added by many owners on the previous car. The brakes are supposed to be better (bigger, and better cooling), so that should compensate for 5% weight increase, is that not right? Or was the previous model a boulevard cruiser with subpar brakes as well, and you just hoped for a radical departure with this one?
03-07-2013, 06:05 PM
#25
Race Director
Weight is the enemy. There is no way around it or to compensate. That's fact and any race engineer or knowledgeable enthusiast will agree. Weight is directly proportional to running cost and lap times, all else being equal.
Correct, the previous model did have deficient (sub-par, whatever wording you like) brakes for those of us who are serious trackers. Review my posts over the past three years for detail, substantiation, and how I put my money where my mouth was (multiple times). The new model's PCCB 410mm monsters are proof of my multi-year contention. They sure as hell didn't upgrade so massively for the fun of it, yes?
Correct, the previous model did have deficient (sub-par, whatever wording you like) brakes for those of us who are serious trackers. Review my posts over the past three years for detail, substantiation, and how I put my money where my mouth was (multiple times). The new model's PCCB 410mm monsters are proof of my multi-year contention. They sure as hell didn't upgrade so massively for the fun of it, yes?
03-07-2013, 06:12 PM
#26
I get ~$154k for a car with adjustable seats, good headlights and the mandatory new monster/oversize PCCB (the steels won't hold up for more than a couple track days with this heavy beast).
Boulevard Cruiser Extraordinaire. But this is no track car. Give up the dream, them's the facts. Hope for the best when the RS spec is released.
Marketing guys won...
This is no boulevard cruiser. Nor is it a heavy beast. It is track oriented sports car. As good as they come.
It is unbelievable how people pre maturely judge a car which they have never driven... or not even seen in real life.
Talk about viral whining.
03-07-2013, 06:21 PM
#27
Take a deep breath. Relax.
This is no boulevard cruiser. Nor is it a heavy beast. It is track oriented sports car. As good as they come.
It is unbelievable how people pre maturely judge a car which they have never driven... or not even seen in real life.
Talk about viral whining.
This is no boulevard cruiser. Nor is it a heavy beast. It is track oriented sports car. As good as they come.
It is unbelievable how people pre maturely judge a car which they have never driven... or not even seen in real life.
Talk about viral whining.
Carry on with the IV Kool-aid
Let me know how it feels when the bag runs dry and the DT's hit...
03-07-2013, 07:28 PM
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A partial answer to my question:
- The option '474 - Front Axle Lift System' is delayed and will not be
available before 2nd week in October (that's the information that we have
right now...).
- The option 'P03 - Sport Bucket Seats' will not be available for the US.
- The option '474 - Front Axle Lift System' is delayed and will not be
available before 2nd week in October (that's the information that we have
right now...).
- The option 'P03 - Sport Bucket Seats' will not be available for the US.
03-07-2013, 07:40 PM
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