So you want a manual transmission?
03-06-2013, 04:38 PM
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I had already answered your question with regards to the german engineer! The 991S isn't track focussed so why would guys buying track cars buy it?
As for the laptime, even at 7.27sec, the 991 is just matching the old 4.0rs dispite pdk and new, improved chassis... So what have they achieved other than to cut the cost of manufacturing and charge the customer an extra 15%???
As for the laptime, even at 7.27sec, the 991 is just matching the old 4.0rs dispite pdk and new, improved chassis... So what have they achieved other than to cut the cost of manufacturing and charge the customer an extra 15%???
Second, do you have an official time for the 991 GT3?
Third, what they have accomplished is make the GT3 as fast as the last models top dog special edition RS... What will the new RS do?
03-06-2013, 04:43 PM
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03-06-2013, 04:46 PM
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What did the old GT3 do, not the 4.0 RS but the plain GT3.
edit: the old plain GT3 is listed at 7:40. So is the new 991 C2S. Compare this GT3 to the old GT3 and save the RS lap times consideration for when the new GT3 RS comes out.
03-06-2013, 04:47 PM
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03-06-2013, 04:50 PM
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03-06-2013, 04:54 PM
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I am saying that this is a GT3, not an RS. Lets make equal comparisons. Second, the new 991 C2S has less hp than the old GT3 and matches its 'Ring times. The new GT3 has more hp and beats the old GT3 by ~10 seconds. If I had to guess I would guess that the new RS will handily beat the old RS.
03-06-2013, 05:40 PM
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Porsche is playing catchup, and playing it poorly (although not from a financial standpoint). The 996 and 997 GT3's were on par if not ahead of the Corvette's, Vipers etc. of the time. You had a tough time finding a car that was faster. Jump ahead to 991 and they are releasing a car slower than the previous generation of those cars as well as being only slightly faster than Mustangs and Camaro's now.
The problem is the marriage to 6 cylinders.
What we see here is SPEED (not technology) moving faster than Porsche can keep up with. What happens when you are behind the competition and handicapped? You throw in some gimmicks. You can blame the rear engine all you want, but I don't see any non force fed 6 cylinders at the front of the pack. On the street, or on the track.
Porsche needs to wake up. NA 6 cylinders aren't going to cut in in 2013 and beyond. And all the P-gadgets in the world won't fix it. So guess what, you get a 2013 GT3 with lots of gadgets that's still slower than C6, R35, Gen IV etc.
The problem is the marriage to 6 cylinders.
What we see here is SPEED (not technology) moving faster than Porsche can keep up with. What happens when you are behind the competition and handicapped? You throw in some gimmicks. You can blame the rear engine all you want, but I don't see any non force fed 6 cylinders at the front of the pack. On the street, or on the track.
Porsche needs to wake up. NA 6 cylinders aren't going to cut in in 2013 and beyond. And all the P-gadgets in the world won't fix it. So guess what, you get a 2013 GT3 with lots of gadgets that's still slower than C6, R35, Gen IV etc.
03-06-2013, 05:46 PM
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Porsche is playing catchup, and playing it poorly (although not from a financial standpoint). The 996 and 997 GT3's were on par if not ahead of the Corvette's, Vipers etc. of the time. You had a tough time finding a car that was faster. Jump ahead to 991 and they are releasing a car slower than the previous generation of those cars as well as being only slightly faster than Mustangs and Camaro's now.
The problem is the marriage to 6 cylinders.
What we see here is SPEED (not technology) moving faster than Porsche can keep up with. What happens when you are behind the competition and handicapped? You throw in some gimmicks. You can blame the rear engine all you want, but I don't see any non force fed 6 cylinders at the front of the pack. On the street, or on the track.
Porsche needs to wake up. NA 6 cylinders aren't going to cut in in 2013 and beyond. And all the P-gadgets in the world won't fix it. So guess what, you get a 2013 GT3 with lots of gadgets that's still slower than C6, R35, Gen IV etc.
The problem is the marriage to 6 cylinders.
What we see here is SPEED (not technology) moving faster than Porsche can keep up with. What happens when you are behind the competition and handicapped? You throw in some gimmicks. You can blame the rear engine all you want, but I don't see any non force fed 6 cylinders at the front of the pack. On the street, or on the track.
Porsche needs to wake up. NA 6 cylinders aren't going to cut in in 2013 and beyond. And all the P-gadgets in the world won't fix it. So guess what, you get a 2013 GT3 with lots of gadgets that's still slower than C6, R35, Gen IV etc.
03-06-2013, 06:08 PM
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Dont need to. The PDK is enough of a deciding factor. I dont care how quick it shifts, its not the trans for me. Ive driven the 12C and 458 and neither trans is what I would want in a P-car.
If you go to the dealer and tell him you want a new 991S and he offers you a Panamera V6, are you really going to buy it because its a "better street car"? I doubt it.
Agreed.
Its not about speed for many, its about the driving experience. If I wanted the quickest track car I certainly wouldnt buy a GT3 to meet the goal. I have a couple that will run circles around even the 991 GT3 on a track.
If you go to the dealer and tell him you want a new 991S and he offers you a Panamera V6, are you really going to buy it because its a "better street car"? I doubt it.
Porsche is playing catchup, and playing it poorly (although not from a financial standpoint). The 996 and 997 GT3's were on par if not ahead of the Corvette's, Vipers etc. of the time. You had a tough time finding a car that was faster. Jump ahead to 991 and they are releasing a car slower than the previous generation of those cars as well as being only slightly faster than Mustangs and Camaro's now.
The problem is the marriage to 6 cylinders.
What we see here is SPEED (not technology) moving faster than Porsche can keep up with. What happens when you are behind the competition and handicapped? You throw in some gimmicks. You can blame the rear engine all you want, but I don't see any non force fed 6 cylinders at the front of the pack. On the street, or on the track.
Porsche needs to wake up. NA 6 cylinders aren't going to cut in in 2013 and beyond. And all the P-gadgets in the world won't fix it. So guess what, you get a 2013 GT3 with lots of gadgets that's still slower than C6, R35, Gen IV etc.
The problem is the marriage to 6 cylinders.
What we see here is SPEED (not technology) moving faster than Porsche can keep up with. What happens when you are behind the competition and handicapped? You throw in some gimmicks. You can blame the rear engine all you want, but I don't see any non force fed 6 cylinders at the front of the pack. On the street, or on the track.
Porsche needs to wake up. NA 6 cylinders aren't going to cut in in 2013 and beyond. And all the P-gadgets in the world won't fix it. So guess what, you get a 2013 GT3 with lots of gadgets that's still slower than C6, R35, Gen IV etc.
Its not about speed for many, its about the driving experience. If I wanted the quickest track car I certainly wouldnt buy a GT3 to meet the goal. I have a couple that will run circles around even the 991 GT3 on a track.
03-06-2013, 06:42 PM
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I know what he was getting at, and its also an area I dont agree with Porsche. The GT3 doesnt need to be the quickest car on the track (like Porsche seems to think). Its about a pure driving experience which is quickly disappearing, much to my chagrin.
03-06-2013, 06:48 PM
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FYI, if pdks are fasest, why is the 4.0 RS faster around the NBR with its slow 6 speed? It only has a 25hp advantage yet carries disadvantages in chassis and transmission according to you... Or are we just hoping to win the traffic light drag races with tech loaded wannabe GT3s?... Maybe they can throw in seat warmers as it can get cold at the track too???....