New 991 GT3 / Exclusive pics and information. The real deal & at last some good news!
03-04-2013, 04:34 PM
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CL any different?
03-04-2013, 04:36 PM
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Parking assistance through rear wheel steering for tight spaces is a big plus in my book.
Have you seen my bloody garage?
Let's see if it has a couple of off buttons. Here's hoping..
Agreed on the weight but I'm not surprised.
Generally speaking it will be fast but we knew that already.
We are talking faster than the gap between a 996 and 997.2 fast IMO.
Even for the average Joe.
Will it feel GT3 good remains to be seen.
Have you seen my bloody garage?
Let's see if it has a couple of off buttons. Here's hoping..
Agreed on the weight but I'm not surprised.
Generally speaking it will be fast but we knew that already.
We are talking faster than the gap between a 996 and 997.2 fast IMO.
Even for the average Joe.
Will it feel GT3 good remains to be seen.
Good thread here..
..just a detail..you say the gap is bigger then from 996 to 997..that remains to be seen. On offcial Porsche lap times, the first 996GT3 was I think 7:58..the last standard 997.2 GT3 was 7:40..this ia 18 seconds (!) differenc. Now we are going from 7:40 to 7:30..and probably sport Auto will do a 7:34, 7:34. The new GT3 looks good from outside..especially the back has improved a lot..But you know what just comes to my mind..a few weeks Porsche mad so much fuzz about the 7:37 of the Carrera S...now with a new GT3..4-wheel steering, better PDK, better tires, better suspension etc..they can just shave off 7 seconds. The result is remarkable..but what Im trying to say..an already very fast car is very difficult to make even faster..the 991 GT3 just proves that.
Imagine a 997 Gt3 had already PDK..it would have done 7:35 instead of 7:40..and then difference wouldnt be so big. Small things add up..this is the case here..but I cannot see a revolution here...that will come from the P1 or the F150..
..but even they will have it difficult..they will still be lightyears away from the 962 lap time at the Ring..with tires from the 80s..
03-04-2013, 04:39 PM
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03-04-2013, 04:42 PM
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03-04-2013, 04:43 PM
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Curb weight goes above a 991 Carrera because of rear steering, larger fuel tank and mandatory PDK. The 991 GT3 is "only" 30Kg lighter than the 997.2 GT3 because of those factors and the Carrera GT seat is no longer road legal (no thorax side airbag) so the car has to be weighed with the sport seat.
991 GT3 is not lighter than a 997 though, it's heavier than all 997GT3s.
The 997GT3RS was 1370kg DIN, 997GT3 was 1395kg DIN. 991 GT3 is 1430kg DIN quoted.
03-04-2013, 04:44 PM
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The rear steer is a brushless electric motor (basically a "jack screw") on a rod that can move a total of 30 mm. That's over an inch of movement, which effectively "shortens" the wheelbase at low speeds (counter-steering, like a Honda Prelude from the late 80's ... famous for bumping the rump into walls and posts as people tried to maneuver, not realizing the car would arc outside it's turning circle.) and will negate the phase shift of high speed "lane change" maneuvers. I'm not liking any of that in terms of driving a 911, but it will make for a devilishly fast and stable car capable of rapid direction change, so it should be marvelously responsive to steering wheel input. At least, no PDCC. Swings and roundabouts, I guess.
BTW, AP mentioned that he used the same car with it ON n OFF.
Any chances that they left the damn button somewhere there?
Also how hard it would be to weld that rod.. ?
Decisions , decisions.
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Yes I think that it will be faster than a 7.2 is to 6.2. Not for WR maybe, but for the average driver, I'd bet one drachma.
03-04-2013, 04:46 PM
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Preuninger said the 991 GT3 is 30 Kg lighter than the 997 GT3. Maybe that has some specific conditions.
03-04-2013, 04:46 PM
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03-04-2013, 04:52 PM
#941
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Ok they said 3kg/hp power to weight ratio. 1430kg DIN is 3150 lbs, empty. That's far off from being a sub 3000 lb track car.
03-04-2013, 04:53 PM
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AP interview by Evo smacks of an infomercial. Mr Bovington's questions were as searching as a 7 year old with no interest in cars, let alone Porsches. Pathetic.
interesting too that AP admits that 50% of the reason for the new engine being based on 9A1 block is cost.
interesting too that AP admits that 50% of the reason for the new engine being based on 9A1 block is cost.
03-04-2013, 04:53 PM
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The nut looks completely different, but could be entirely cosmetic. Here's hoping Porsche isn't taking some nonsense "ain't broke" stance on the Centerlocks. Even that damn dust cap could do with a complete remake.
The new forged wheels look the business. It's not doubt hard for the designers to once again reinvent that clover leaf, but I think they've got something good. And a lighter wheel helps salve the sting of a 20 inch wheel on a track car.
The new forged wheels look the business. It's not doubt hard for the designers to once again reinvent that clover leaf, but I think they've got something good. And a lighter wheel helps salve the sting of a 20 inch wheel on a track car.
03-04-2013, 04:58 PM
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I dont know if i am missing something in AP's interview, he keeps saying 100 ms shift time is very fast , It maybe fast but not class leading. Italia Mp4 and Scud all have 50-60 ms shift times.