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Advice needed: I知 on the fence on trading my 997.2 Turbo S for a 991.1 GT3

Old 07-11-2019, 11:21 AM
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Same color combo as my gt so I say get the gt. .2 yes updated motor w 25 more hp and a bump in the tq dept and a few extras and more money. In any Porsche the radio bites *****. That's why why we roll down the window to hear the glorious exhaust music. Like everyone else said drive it and if you like it buy it. Dont let our opinions sway you one way or another because its you that's gonna have to like it. I know people who daily theres and some dont. But they are doing what they want. I get in mine every chance I get and it isnt a look at me I got no miles car. We all are blessed to buy these so join in on the fun and dont look back.
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Old 07-11-2019, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Red9114me View Post
This is a very hard decision since my turbo s is a special edition. Also, I知 a little concerned about the 991.1 engine reliability. Any last minute advice for me? Thanks in advance.

991.1 gt3 axle lift, no buckets, no pccb

918 edition turbo s
Keep the 997.2, unless you plan to do a lot of track events.
If you want a fast track day car, 991.2 GT2 RS it is, any other Porsche is slower. If you want to race instead of running DE Cup, plenty of GT3 Cup and GT4CS to choose from.

If you don't care about being at the pointing end of the DE Cup, why get a GT3 to replace a very special edition Turbo S, when you can always add a dedicated and well built track day Porsche for $30k (Cayman, Boxster, 996, etc), and keep your Turbo S.
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I would keep the 997 Turbo S. The 10 year warranty is half gone for the 2014 GT3's. I wouldn't want to be sitting on a 991.1 GT3 in 3 or 4 years, knowing the clock is ticking down on my engine warranty. Also, the 997 is sort of the last of the "shorter" wheel base 911's before the engine was shifted forward a few inches and still has more of that old raw 911 feel than the 991's. If you are still considering a trade, figure out how to trade to a .2 GT3. Even if it requires you to wait a couple years, you still have a great car in your garage.
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Old 07-11-2019, 11:58 AM
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I have both a 997.2 Turbo S and a 991.1 GT3. I would keep the Turbo S if you are looking for the better car for the street. For track use or if your interest is being noticed/more attention at Cars and Coffee go with the GT3.
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Old 07-11-2019, 12:04 PM
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Good decision to keep both
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Old 07-11-2019, 12:36 PM
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Here's your coupe missing the roof
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Old 07-11-2019, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Maverick787 View Post
If a daily driver I would keep the turbo s, but if not a driver I would get a 991.2 with the better motor. Many will say extra warranty, but I would still take the new motor/updated car. Also if you live the torque you loose that in the GT car. Good luck, but either are not bad choices depends on your preference.
x2, this is what I would do in OPs shoes. Love the 991.1 and actually prefer the looks, but the engine stuff just turns me off to the .1 as I wouldn't even want to deal with that should the engine need replacing (truly awesome that the COG and PAG stepped up with the 10 yr warranty)

Especially with 991.2 GT prices dropping a bit recently, I'd either wait / save to push for the 4.0 motor in the .2, or conversely the 997 really is a nice generation of 911 and the TurboS will be a more versatile car if you can only have one or the other IMHO
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Old 07-11-2019, 01:31 PM
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Been there, I made the switch in Oct 2017 from a 997.2 turbo S (rare aerokit edition coupe) to my current 991.1 GT3. Here are my thoughts on switching;

- Steering - Sharper & more precise in the GT3. The drive-by-wire electric steering is very well calibrated although a bit numb. Also RWD in the GT3 means that the front wheel are unencumbered by drivetrains and are solely focused on steering
- RWS - makes cornering incredibly quick in the 991 GT3 (rotation in slow corners is marvelous, less understeer feel)
- Stability - longer wheelbase and wider track makes the GT3 feel much more comfortable than I expected around town and really potent on the track.
- Weight - the GT3 feels so much lighter than the turbo S (best felt on the track, especially in braking where I brake so much later in the GT3). The brakes and tires don't get as hot on track as the turbo S
- Suspension: significantly less body roll in the GT3 likely due to the much better GT3 suspension. The stock turbo S suspension is WAY TOO soft, even in Sport mode (had to get a DSC module)
- Character: this is highly subjective but to me, the GT3 feels much more how I expected a Porsche 911 to be. Raspy engine, precise steering, throatier exhaust (center muffler is a must regardless) and most importantly requiring you to pay attention to it while driving. The turbo S could feel a bit numb (point & shoot/blast). A Europipe exhaust woke things up a bit but I felt a little detached from the turbo S at times on the road.

- miss the hydraulic steering feel of the 997 platform (it's in the feedback it communicates)
- miss the low-end torque (and still do). Once you experience 516 Lb-ft at 1,750 rpm going to 324 lb-ft at 5,000rpm feels incredibly SLOOOOOW. You've got to get above 5,000 rpm to relish the GT3
- Miss the rear seats. I actually had my youngest in the rear seat of the turbo S (7yrs old at the time) with my oldest (10 yrs) in the front seat a few times for quick pick-ups and trips to the store etc. Can't do that in the GT3
- miss the instant acceleration and pull of the turbo S (mine was COBB tuned) and the GT3 doesn't come close to stuffing me in the seat and top end pull
- miss the better rear visibility of the turbo S. although I had the aerokit rear decklid, I still had 100% rear visibility. The GT3 wing blocks out half of the rear window
- miss the better road manners in the turbo S (it was a much better cruiser)

Conclusion: Both were PDK so no real edge (the GT3 PDK feels snappier and quicker but its really a wash on the street). The turbo S was way more "mod friendly" if you're into that. On the engines, the 9A1 in the turbo S was supple and fantastic. Never gave me any issues. The GT3 3.8 DFI has its documented issues but I looked for & bought a 2016 MY which should be fine (either way I have the 10 yr engine warranty so beyond any inconvenience for possible downtime during engine replacement, its a non-issue as Porsche has stood behind every engine replacement claim to-date.

They are two very different cars and the primary purpose/intent of ownership should be deciding factor in your decision. If primarily street, I would keep the turbo S. If moderate track with some street use then the 991.1 GT3 fits the bill perfectly. Both are great cars and I can see myself in a 997.2 turbo S again. You shouldn't get hung up on the 918 edition thing, it's really only a few neon-lime green colored accents and nothing more. If your issue is residual value, then the GT3 should hold its value better than the turbo S anyway, with similar miles driven. Good luck.
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Old 07-11-2019, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Red9114me View Post
Thanks. What痴 your reasoning?
I just would prefer the 997.2 turbo S you have over that 991.1 GT3. I have always liked the 997 turbos (moreso 997.1 with 6MT but that痴 besides the point) and yours is a limited edition. I think the turbo S will do better long term holding value.
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:29 PM
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Tough choice. I would say keep it simple. DD - TTs. Track/Canyon/you have another DD - GT3.

In your case additional points for the 997 are that it is a limited edition model. If it were a "regular" 997 i would have suggested that 991. But its not a clear cut decision.

It boils down to intended use (do you intend to take advantage of the Gt3 in its element). If so go for it. who cares about the radio etc in a GT3.
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:33 PM
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Weekend toy or track rat: GT3.
Daily driver: Turbo S.
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Old 07-11-2019, 07:47 PM
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keep 997. last of mezger engine + reliability issues on .1 gt3.
imo 997 is more beautiful, if u want gt3 why not go 997 gt3?
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Old 07-11-2019, 07:57 PM
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If this was a 991.2 GT3, I would say GT3. But since it is a 991.1, I would say keep the Turbo S.
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rialco View Post
keep 997. last of mezger engine + reliability issues on .1 gt3.
imo 997 is more beautiful, if u want gt3 why not go 997 gt3?
Note that the 997.2 turbo S doesn稚 have a Mezger engine, it shares the same 9A1 DFI engine with the 991.1 turbo S
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Akunob View Post
Note that the 997.2 turbo S doesn稚 have a Mezger engine, it shares the same 9A1 DFI engine with the 991.1 turbo S
+1. the Mezger died in 2009 for the turbo models
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