JC Lacayo

No way. Without moving the location of the engine.

GrantG

Not sure what you're saying here? They need to move the engine to increase the displacement 5% (which has no implications for the weight or outer dimensions of the motor)?

Drifting

That is my definition and also would be the answer from the overwhelming majority of auto journalists, and the majority of GT car owners. Not saying it's a perfect truth, but the closest thing to defining a drivers car.

I know the GT3 is heavier than it used to be which is why I use the wording RELATIVELY lightweight not just the word lightweight, as a GT3 is not as light as air cooled cars, but is still much lighter than most other modern performance cars such corvettes, M3s, AMGs, etc.

isv

So a 991 RS (gen 1 or 2) wouldn't be a drivers car? Or the 991.2 gt3 in dual clutch while the manual version is?

haen

Worth noting that a diffuser is more efficient at producing downforce than an aerofoil/wing, aka less corresponding drag. Everyone is running as big a diffuser as possible. Evolve or die.

Look at the extension of the diffuser on Aston Martin's Vantage GTE!

groundhog

Have a read of this article by Angus McKenzie at Motortrend and is pretty sensible.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/pors...-or-automatic/

GrantG

ipse dixit

The only thing worse on Rennlist than a value thread is a PDK v. MT thread.

Let me take that back. The worst thing on Rennlist is whether a PDK or MT will have better resale value.

iphilips

We aren't debating MT vs PDK.. we are debating how Porsche makes decisions for new models and options.

Swim suit model vs runway model .. MT vs PDK .. which is better? Depends what you want to do with them. Both are pretty amazing.

GrantG

I’m confused - I want to do the same thing with both of them

iphilips

I'm going to leave this one alone .. this will come back to haunt me 😂

-eztrader-

lol

TT Chris

Just like those naysayers that said there wouldn't be a 991.2 GT3RS. Saying they have credible info from someone high up at PAG 😒

groundhog

Yep - I think Porsche would simply run a straight business case - is there a niche to fill answer (a) yes (b) no - if answer is yes move to question (2) will the business case provide a return on capital as required by the (Board/executive committee/business unit). (a) Yes (b) no - if answer is yes carry on until the next key decision point which is scheduled for x.

I think Porsche are extraordinarily linear in this regard. Then the marketing department makes it schmaltzy followed by the re-release of psychology profiles that amazingly say we are:

• The top gun profile consists of an ambitious and driven individual who cares about being noticed, power and control.

• The elitist profile, includes an individual from old money (blue blood), has the attitude a car is just a vehicle and not an expression of a person’s personality.
• The proud patrons owner profile sees a Porsche as a trophy considering it a reward for hard work with ownership as the main goal not being noticed.
• The Bon Vivants profile consists of thrill seekers and jet-setters with the Porsche as a means of excitement.
• The fantasist profile sees the Porsche as a form of escape and does not care about impressing others.

Its easy sell things to people they want, reinforce its a special product through marketing and then let the owners know they are special e.g. "top gun"

You won't see the the following: lets make this gear box because its cheap and the cars are slower so we can sell them to sleazy stock broker types and other gamblers that drive like d bags . Porsche are great at marketing and the general age group these cars sell into is both high income and somewhat nostalgic.

They know their market and their target buyer and feed both accordingly.

Which brings me to funny ads - anyone remember the add where there was an air cooled 911 parked on a gravel driveway in front of a small manor house (actually in the vernacular a hunting box), two people standing by the rear of the car, a male and female mid-forties, both svelte, dressed in neat slacks and sweaters. The boot lid up, the man holding a saddle over one arm, the female - or rather Lady was looking up at him............

There is a whole essay in psychology and marketing in this add and also a little bit of insecurity

Waxer

I would like to see the engine moved forward ala’ RSR. The rear space is wasted and unusable for the most part anyway. If their not afraid of racing a mid engine 911 that the entire world knows about why are they afraid of selling one?