Pc007

Hi guys, after seeing a 2014 991 Gt3 for sale near me I just felt that it was time to change my 991S, the dream car appeared in a CPO, 25.000 mile GT3 clubsport, finally went to drive it and it was epic...I felt what I’ve never felt driving a car, so I started to negotiate until I reached a good deal, but than I started to read the engine failure threads in some forums and the dream started to be destroyed by this fear of the engine going wrong.

the car had a top end engine rebuild, engine code is E1...so what can I expect? Do all cars will eventually fail?
Is there anything we can do to avoid the problem?
Anything we can do to check occasionally for the problem and see if it will evolve to engine failure?

the car also had a right side exhaust replacement , and now a noise is coming from the left side, Porsche told me they would change the left exhaust also...

so the dilemma is finding the dream car, having an epic drive like never before, and than the “ cold shower of reality”...doubt for the buy....

advices, opinions are very much welcome. Thanks

wisky

2014 GT3 has engine warranty till 2024 or 120k miles, whats to worry about?

groundhog

I would speak frankly to the dealer - tell him you are well aware of the issues in relation to the E and F engines and ask him if there have been any of the tell tale signs on this particular car and ask how they will deal with it when and if the engine starts to let go.

It is worth noting some dealers have had cars, that have been on their way out, which have been moved on to other dealers and then on sold. This happened to a friend of mine - he had the car for two days, the engine started to fail on day 2. The engine was replaced under warranty.

The biggest issue with a failure is how, when and where it fails or starts to fail and then the process of diagnosis and replacement which can take plenty of time - depending on where you are located, the response from the dealer and the response from Porsche.

Having this full and frank discussion will either allay your fears or compound them - more so if he goes through the "didn't know there was a problem with these engines routine".

By the same token its clear, in the US, Porsche are standing behind the 991.1 GT3 and replacing engines.

BryanCO

10 yrs from in service date worries many.

Drifting

5 years of engine warranty left.

More than my new 18 GT3!

Pc007

Car is in a Porsche center here in Europe, has engine guarantee until 2025, problem is I want this car to stay with me forever... so my fear is that if he fails after warranty ... the cost would be huge. I will use the car for canyon roads, not track car.

im thinking if I shouldn’t wait for the 991.2 to go down in price, in 1 or 2 years...

Also I could buy it now and sell it in 2/ 3 years for the 991.2 but probably it won’t be an easy sell

do all engines are guaranteed to fail? The only engine that resists is the G series ?

thanks for the feedback guys!

tstafford

My two cents - I wouldn’t want a .1 GT3 w/o an engine warranty. If you want to own it a long time I think you’re right to wait on the .2 prices to be where they work for you. They’re falling quickly in the US already.

groundhog

Not so, the .2 GT car warranty can be run out to 15 years

Pc007

same here in Europe for the 991.1...I can run a warranty until 15 years after production, so I would have warranty until 2029...but imagine the engine wouldn't have a problem until then...

this is one of the cases that the lucky ones are the ones that their engine was replaced 2 times.... am I correct? to assume that the G series engine solved all the problems?

itrsteve

Three scenarios are possible

1.) It faults under warranty and is replaced
2.) It doesn’t fault at all
3.) Absolute worst case, it faults 5+ years from now when it’s out of warranty:
- they make replacement engines depending on your terms, you may find that price delta is similar to the price difference of a .2 right now
- I speculate that there will be an aftermarket fix to the valuetrain issue, one was already well on its way prior to the warranty issue

As a 911.1 owner, I won’t lie that it’s a somewhat worrisome item to have lingering in the back of your mind. But when you really think about it, it’s the GT3 that you’re incentivized to actually drive and drive hard rather than bubblewrap. There are zero rewards for having a low mile 991.1. It’s pretty cool when put into that context.

Drifting

yes, but the .1 GT3 warranty iis free and factory, while the .2 GT3 warranty extension costs 10K and isn’t even underwriten by Porsche (not true factory warranty)

RDCR

I'm thinking if one gets to 25K miles with at least 10 track days and doesn't have any issues one probably has one of the good engines. You could probably buy a replacement engine with the ADM some folks are paying on the new RS's.

Alan C.

👍👍

robmypro

The way i look at it Porsche will most likely provide the next replacement engine, and after that who knows. In the meantime she runs strong, looks amazing, and the smiles per mile are off the chart. I wish i could say that about everything else in life. I guess i am just not willing to sour something that brings joy to my life.

rodsky

I gotta believe the difference in price is $50K fro a .1 14 ($110k-$120) to a .2 18/19 ($160-$170). If you can swing an 18 do it. But with a .1 - You could buy it and drive it like you stole it for 5 years. Probly not going to do that to a '18? If its gonna fail, it will fail within that window more likely than not . That is priceless enjoyment. If it fails - great you get a G engine (no?). and those are pretty safe. If not, chances are slim its going to fail after that. The cost for those 5 years and thereafter is low for what you get.