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I own both a 991.2GT3 PDK and 458 Italia..My GT3 is for sale at my OPC as i have a .2 GT3 RS WP arriving in September..I'm lucky as i have a perfect spec(for me) 458 with all the Carbon inside and outside in my favourite colour which is GS and Nero roof..I will never sell my 458 due to its perfect spec as its much more special then any GT3 to own and drive..The GT3 needs a track to shine and is frustrating to drive on public roads but the 458 is special at all speeds and all types of roads.
Great spec with the GS. Glad to hear from someone that has both. I guess I'm just getting tired of seeing the same car in my garage and want to mix things up a bit? The only time I really gawk at my own car is seeing it out in public parked next to other sports cars and seeing how low and sleek it is by comparison. I don't see the GT3 and 458 as necessarily being better one way or the other, just a different way of experiencing great high revving action.
Originally Posted by stephen k
I just took my .2 GT3 Manual on a 530 mile round trip and I am one of the few that complain about harsh ride in sports cars. However the .2 GT3 is soft and is sprung to be driven on roads and on the track. It rides better than my previous 991.2 C2S with sport suspension.
That being said its going to be hard to beat your current combo with a 458 + m3 Manual. If you only had one car I would say a GT3 would fit you super well. However in this situation I would keep the 458 and the m3 manual, what a superb combo..
yeah I think the 458 + M3 keeps my bases covered. Although a GT3 would really combine the best bits of both (german engineering, manual, high rpm, light weight, etc)... would free up other garage spot for a maybe a tesla in the future and I could snooze on the way to the office lol.
Had a 458 for a few years and replaced with a 991.2 GT3, wouldn’t call it an upgrade, just a different. 458 a lot less stable and thus more fun at legal speeds. .2 GT3 at low revs quite a bit less torquey than the 458, that half a liter and 2 cylinders makes a noticeable difference in everyday street driving scenarios. I liked the 458 platform so much, bought a speciale to keep, while the 991 platform is an upgrade in speed and performance, is an downgrade compared to the 997 platform in terms of driving experience.
Funny, I had a black 458 Spyder with Novitech spacers and springs as well. Car was beautiful and awesome to drive. More comfortable on a long drive than most sports cars, Ferraris are really wide and comfortable....well most are pretty comfortable.
I traded the 458 on an 991.2 RS and I traded that on a GT3 Touring. I really want a manual without buckets for a comfortable cruiser but the performance of the GT3.
..I will never sell my 458 due to its perfect spec as its much more special then any GT3 to own and drive..The GT3 needs a track to shine and is frustrating to drive on public roads but the 458 is special at all speeds and all types of roads.
wow, perfectly summarized my experience. I prob wont sell the 458 either it's prob one of the most reliable italian you can get
Disagree. The OP mentioned unwanted attention, reliability, and dealer network. The GT3 is far better in all regards. I’ve driven 458s many times with friends and they are fun to drive and more of an event, but I’m not a show off and I love to drive an amazing performance car like the .2 GT3 and only get attention from a few true car enthusiasts, not everyone on the road.
458 are more reliable than other Ferrari’s but still fragile compared to a .2 GT3, and 458s are getting older and more likely to need service. And it’s so much easier/ convenient / cheaper to service a Porsche compared to a Ferrari. And 6 hours to a dealer that the OP mentioned gets annoying.
And a .2 GT3 is very comfortable road car in standard suspension mode. And of course you can get a manual if you prefer.
Despite a similar cost, this is why I choose a .2 GT3 over a 458.
I know this topic has been brought up a few times but I was just wanting to here some more opinions since the 991.2 has been out for some time now. I've had my 458 over 3 year now and feel its time to try something new perhaps. The problem is that everything is going turbo and awd, and I feel like a NA high rpm motor is still the ticket to happiness. I've had a modded GTR and have driven a huracan on track and awd understeer kills it for me, the lag on the GTR is also something I didn't enjoy. The 458 has been a great car, very responsive and edgy, but there are some things that are wearing on me a bit now:
1) it gets a ton of unwanted attention. I kind of knew this going in but it gets excessive. to the point where I don't like taking it out and parking it on the street. Its an A to A car.
2) I lowered mine with novitec springs and spacers so it doesn't look like a 4x4, it does look great now but I'm limited on which backroads I can push the car down since it wants to scrape everywhere. I definitely can't take it to new unknown roads, I think the GT3 might have a bit more clearance and i'll be sure to find one with the lifter option this time. The GT3s all come with a great stance from factory with minimal wheel gap.
3) its a 10 year old Ferrari. When/if something does let go its going to be an arm and a leg to replace. The GT3 is pretty solid and brand new
4) no Ferrari dealer near me.. I have to do the takata airbag recall but the nearest dealer is 6 hours away. I have mine serviced at an indy shop 2 hours from me.
5) no manual.
Reasons why I'm hesitating on the GT3:
- basically one reason. From a lot of what I've read the GT3 is more at home on the track than the street, where the Ferrari is the opposite. I don't have any tracks near me. But I do have a lot of nice back roads where I can put the car in CT off and slide it a bit and have a little counter steer. The 458 is very playful and easy to catch.. not sure how a rear engine 911 would be or if I even want to push it to that point to find out.
Here are the current two in my stable. 2010 458 and a 2015 M3 6MT I just picked up.
IMO, the 458 is one of the best modern sports/supercars out there. It's the whole package. But, Manual 991.2 is something totally different. If you have the means, and you're not emotionally attached to a car, trying something new is always good. Plus if you decide you don't like the 911, you won't lose all your money trying to resell it right now and i'm sure there are dozens of 458s available right now. Or if possible, just get rid of the M3 and have the 458 and 911 haha. In terms of maintenance and reliability, Porsche is really one of the best, rivaled only by modern Ferrari and Lamborghini (in my experience).
it sounds like the OP is trying to make a rational decision that makes sense financially, downsizing to 1 fun car (save insurance, garage space, maintenance, upkeep), not having to deal with future repairs with a dealer 6 hr away, and be more low key in an area where ferrari's probably a rare sight. That's prob the right thing to do, i prob would. But it's a pity - 458 remains one of the most beautiful and best sounding car ever made for the money, and is easy to live with and has decent reliability
06-17-2019, 06:02 PM
