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I think the RS had a huge advantage at Big Willow through turns 2 and 8. With ~1000lbs of downforce, I'm sure the RS's corner speed through those long sweepers was significantly higher.
You can show us all the reported problems for Mclaren too. It’ll surely be more extensive. I can tell you from my experience that Porsche in general is much more reliable than Mclaren. If you don’t agree that’s ok as I could care less. Go to any track event and ask any serious driver and most will concur.
Give it a rest man. All car's break down. The manufacture communications for Porsche seems awfully similar to things that happen on Mac's. Difference is that the complaints people have on these forums are buried into different threads, whereas Mac forums aren't very active at all., so they don't get buried in there. The following recall affected a lot of Ferrari's. You wouldn't even know it because people don't talk about these things on the Ferrari forum. Ferrari/porsche forum posters are generally "protectors" of the brand and are lively. Mac forums are not.
My local porsche dealer does 10,000 service appointments per year. This includes a whole lot of things (warranty, servicing, etc.).
Ferrari North America, Inc. (Ferrari) is recalling certain 2017 LaFerrari Aperta, 2018-2019 488 GTB, GTC4Lusso T, GTC4Lusso, 488 Spider, 812 Superfast, and 2019 488 Pista vehicles. The fuel vapor separator may crack and allow fuel to leak.
Remedy
Ferrari will notify owners, and dealers will replace the fuel vapor separator, free of charge. An interim owner notification letter was mailed on April 15, 2019. A second letter will be mailed when the remedy is available. Owners may contact Ferrari customer service at 1-201-816-2668. Ferrari's number for this recall is 69.
Notes
Owners may also contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), or go to www.safercar.gov.
Hopefully, that’s not why you buy a car. With that said my RS is rarer than most Mclaren’s and seems to draw a lot of attention with those who know what it is.
Tires aren’t everything guys. If they were we could put cup 2 R on a minivan and make it faster than most cars. Mclaren’s are great performers no doubt but the negatives of ownership greatly outweigh the advantages.
i'm not a race car driver, so track times mean nothing to me.
but i know deviated stitching when i see it.
Maybe not in the general sports car market, but both Senna and GT2RS MR are clearly built for the purpose of lap times.
If performance per dollar was one's main criteria to judge a car by, you would not be buying a Porsche GT nor anything else outside of Caterham/Xbow or Radical......
If performance per dollar was one's main criteria to judge a car by, you would not be buying a Porsche GT nor anything else outside of Caterham/Xbow or Radical......
Maybe, but I need protection from the weather and ability to register in Denver. And I already have a lightweight track car...
Just don't say anything that could potentially be perceived as a negative towards Mclaren. There are a few folks that get really upset.
So true- we have a long thread devoted to just McLauren on a GT3 Forum but the Moderators kiss “”” and let it continue but move any other thread about any other non- Porshe models
Actually the reverse would happens if we swap pro drivers for amateurs.
The McLaren's advantage is straight line speed, it will simply accelerate harder with the extra HP and torque and lighter car.
Porsche's advantage is braking and around corners.
But that's also the difference between a pro and a amateur. Any monkey can make a car go really fast on a straight line, but pros can go around corner much faster, and probe the limits of the car, average amateur don't corner hard enough to show the cornering advantage of the Porsche, they will ended up driving around a corner about the same speed in both cars.
Mclaren has come a long way over the last few years - I own a 720S and its a magnificent car - I also currently own two Porsche sports cars and am very close to to doing a deal on a .2 GT3 RS.
I see it through a simple lens - both produce fantastic vehicles that go about their business in different ways and thus give enjoyment in different ways.
Keep in mind, with these types of cars the drivers/testers make a significant difference e.g. Autocar did a review of the Pista, the 600 LT and the GT3 RS - the GT3 RS was soundly beaten in terms of track time - however, god is in the detail - the Pista had a Ferrari crew with multiple sets of fresh tires, the Mclaren was on new Trofeo R and the Porsche turned up (as is typical) with a set of very worn Cup 2 R - the outcome was the Pista was quickest, followed by the LT followed by the GT3 RS - does it matter?
Not really . In most respects its good there is plenty of diversity - it ensures manufacturers keep producing great products.
I just beat on a 600LT at Laguna yesterday and did not incur any gremlins or issues. That being said- I did properly bed in the pads and rotors beforehand, and I drive with minimal driver aids.
Having owned every recent mclaren and every GT car, and having tracked all of each
( no really every one: Porsche: Boxster Spyder, Carrera GT, GT4, 997 GT3, 997.1 RS, 997.2 RS, 997GT2RS, 991.1, 991.2, 911R, 991 GT2RS AND the GT4 clubsport, Gt3 cup...all owned at one point and all tracked except 997 2RS)
There are a lot of generalities floating around but as a McLaren insider, and a Porsche fanboy...the mclaren cars are like roulette- it is possible to get a car that is bad. Porsche has cars that get bought back as well, but my theory is that like the AMG 'one man one engine' thing...you either get a Good McLaren (no issues unless you hit something) or a BAD McLaren.
If new guy Felipe builds your car, it's not as good of a car as Thomas the 7 year assembler. We would have some cars come in PERFECT. And some would consistently have niggling issues. They are a fast growing, fast evolving brand. Porsche is incredibly established. They do build the most durable cars, and the most tested and tortured cars during development are from
stuttgart. Porsche makes 80,000 911's a year worldwide. McLaren makes ~4500 cars.
I have owned and tracked the 2019 3RS and 2019 600LT. Both are great. I have driven the 718 GT4 racer and the 570 Gt4 race car. Both are easy and approachable.
Looks are subjective, as is color choice.
The 600LT is prettier to me, the 3RS sounds better and has more grip. The 600LT is more playful and slides around more. The 3RS is easier to get serviced in more locales.
These are champagne issues and caviar arguments. The 718 GT4 and 570GT4 will be faster than any of these streetcars. And cheaper.
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