Porsche GT3 RS vs McLaren 600LT
06-05-2019, 01:53 AM
#46
I DO realize this is Rennlist... a Porsche biased forum... also realize y’all drink the Porsche koolaid... but compare your top track car to their sport series is comical. Put an RS on the track with a 675LT, or a 720S and see what you get? A liiiiiittle better test results I’ll bet.
I came from McLaren cars back to Porsche and I’m not impressed with this car compared to my Mclaren on any level. Straight line performance isn’t even in the same ballpark, and as far as “turning” corners, whatevs. To me, a car that can pin you back in the seat until you get scared and not puff out in power is equally as exciting as turning corners.. and McLaren is the car that delivers on that.
As as far as McLaren service sucking.., well... depends on where you take it. Their cars aren’t perfect, but even Porsche’s aren’t perfect either. I fancy the perfect unicorn car is the one in each of our minds that we fashioned “perfect” in our lil world. I owned a 650S that WAS a pos.., but I loooooved that car! I’ve owned multiple Porsche’s that aren’t perfect but I love them too. I’m a car guy, and I HAAAATE when people make their brand of choice the “IT” must have best car ever kind of car... truth is, if you pick a platform I’ll show you a way to beat said car.
I came from McLaren cars back to Porsche and I’m not impressed with this car compared to my Mclaren on any level. Straight line performance isn’t even in the same ballpark, and as far as “turning” corners, whatevs. To me, a car that can pin you back in the seat until you get scared and not puff out in power is equally as exciting as turning corners.. and McLaren is the car that delivers on that.
As as far as McLaren service sucking.., well... depends on where you take it. Their cars aren’t perfect, but even Porsche’s aren’t perfect either. I fancy the perfect unicorn car is the one in each of our minds that we fashioned “perfect” in our lil world. I owned a 650S that WAS a pos.., but I loooooved that car! I’ve owned multiple Porsche’s that aren’t perfect but I love them too. I’m a car guy, and I HAAAATE when people make their brand of choice the “IT” must have best car ever kind of car... truth is, if you pick a platform I’ll show you a way to beat said car.
I agree that no brand is perfect and I’m certainly not saying that Porsche is the only good option. What I am saying after owning two Mclaren’s and having multiple friends with Mclaren’s is that they’re unreliable and not well built. There was NEVER a time I could drive a Mclaren for more than 30 min without some sort of light tuning on. My car alarm would go off in my garage at 4am and the windows would open on their own. The car would go into limp mode for no reason and the air conditioning, electronics and launch control wouldn’t even work. My friends car needed a new engine after a few thousand miles and my car had multiple mechanical problems. I can go on and on and on. Sure Porsche isn’t perfect but it’s a finely tuned piece of German engineering compared to a very fast unpredictable, fragile , poorly built English car. Sorry if you don’t agree but this has been my personal experience.
06-05-2019, 02:05 AM
#47
Nobody does a twin-turbo V8 better than McLaren. Spins to 8500 RPM, and sounds amazing. They somehow figured out how to make a TT V8 sound better than anyone else's. It's an amazing car, no doubt.
I'd imagine they are wildly different experiences from behind the wheel. Put them on the same rubber compound, and it's still going to be very, very close lap times. Two different tools for the same job. I honestly can't blame people for choosing any McLaren these days, they are all clearly amazing driver's cars, with stupid performance.
That said, I'm committed to good ole flat-6 NA howl as long as I can have it.....
I'd imagine they are wildly different experiences from behind the wheel. Put them on the same rubber compound, and it's still going to be very, very close lap times. Two different tools for the same job. I honestly can't blame people for choosing any McLaren these days, they are all clearly amazing driver's cars, with stupid performance.
That said, I'm committed to good ole flat-6 NA howl as long as I can have it.....
Sounds amazing ? No , just noise . The Ferrari 488/Pista sounds way better as does the GT2 RS (if we are comparing turbo cars). As far as comparing sound to a NA car like a GT3 or Huracan lol, forget it , no competition.
06-05-2019, 03:02 AM
#48
Rennlist Member
What I am saying after owning two Mclaren’s and having multiple friends with Mclaren’s is that they’re unreliable and not well built. There was NEVER a time I could drive a Mclaren for more than 30 min without some sort of light tuning on. My car alarm would go off in my garage at 4am and the windows would open on their own. The car would go into limp mode for no reason and the air conditioning, electronics and launch control wouldn’t even work. My friends car needed a new engine after a few thousand miles and my car had multiple mechanical problems. I can go on and on and on. Sure Porsche isn’t perfect but it’s a finely tuned piece of German engineering compared to a very fast unpredictable, fragile , poorly built English car. Sorry if you don’t agree but this has been my personal experience.
McLarens at this point do not belong to the same sentence with "reliability" or "quality". Argue what you may, show me an LT/S that can last a whole trackday weekend without a fuss and I'll STFU.
Until then, no thank you.
And don't even get me started on Macca's racing products. I've spent enough time in enduro events to know that it's a winning bet to their DNF-ing, whether it's GT3 or GT4.
06-05-2019, 07:03 AM
#49
Nordschleife Master
I DO realize this is Rennlist... a Porsche biased forum... also realize y’all drink the Porsche koolaid... but compare your top track car to their sport series is comical. Put an RS on the track with a 675LT, or a 720S and see what you get? A liiiiiittle better test results I’ll bet.
I came from McLaren cars back to Porsche and I’m not impressed with this car compared to my Mclaren on any level. Straight line performance isn’t even in the same ballpark, and as far as “turning” corners, whatevs. To me, a car that can pin you back in the seat until you get scared and not puff out in power is equally as exciting as turning corners.. and McLaren is the car that delivers on that.
As as far as McLaren service sucking.., well... depends on where you take it. Their cars aren’t perfect, but even Porsche’s aren’t perfect either. I fancy the perfect unicorn car is the one in each of our minds that we fashioned “perfect” in our lil world. I owned a 650S that WAS a pos.., but I loooooved that car! I’ve owned multiple Porsche’s that aren’t perfect but I love them too. I’m a car guy, and I HAAAATE when people make their brand of choice the “IT” must have best car ever kind of car... truth is, if you pick a platform I’ll show you a way to beat said car.
I came from McLaren cars back to Porsche and I’m not impressed with this car compared to my Mclaren on any level. Straight line performance isn’t even in the same ballpark, and as far as “turning” corners, whatevs. To me, a car that can pin you back in the seat until you get scared and not puff out in power is equally as exciting as turning corners.. and McLaren is the car that delivers on that.
As as far as McLaren service sucking.., well... depends on where you take it. Their cars aren’t perfect, but even Porsche’s aren’t perfect either. I fancy the perfect unicorn car is the one in each of our minds that we fashioned “perfect” in our lil world. I owned a 650S that WAS a pos.., but I loooooved that car! I’ve owned multiple Porsche’s that aren’t perfect but I love them too. I’m a car guy, and I HAAAATE when people make their brand of choice the “IT” must have best car ever kind of car... truth is, if you pick a platform I’ll show you a way to beat said car.
This puts a dent in the 675 and 720 argument.
Also, while Motortrend had the RS on CupR’s the LT was on Trofeo R’s. Equivalent tires.
Also, while the purchase price of a 720 is less than a GT2RS it is a much more expensive car to own when you factor in depreciation unless you paid a large adm for the 2RS. Now you can buy a 2RS for list or close and my bet is 2 years for now you may lose 10-15 % on trade in. With a 720 it will be 30% or more.
Also, while we all hate ADMs there is a reason why Porsche GT cars fetch them and Macs can’t except for their hyper cars.
I love the LT when I saw it and especially when I saw on in the flesh but...the horror stories noted above and Mac depreciation keep me away. I love my RS too and historically they are as reliable as an anvil and hold there value and homlogate their cars in racing competition and WIN. Bang for the buck is damn near unbeatable.
A Porsche is a Porsche.
Last edited by Waxer; 06-05-2019 at 07:23 AM.
06-05-2019, 09:56 AM
#50
Race Director
Evidently there’s a lot more to it than weight and hp.
Porsche. There really truly is no substitute.
Porsche. There really truly is no substitute.
06-05-2019, 10:10 AM
#51
Race Director
Originally Posted by robmypro
Evidently there’s a lot more to it than weight and hp.
Porsche. There really truly is no substitute.
Porsche. There really truly is no substitute.
06-05-2019, 12:55 PM
#53
Rennlist Member
06-05-2019, 01:09 PM
#54
I had a gt3rs. 1 (very reliable. unfortunately, went into a wall with it).
On my sixth one. Only one that wasn't reliable for me and I didn't know what was going to happen at a track day was my 675 coupe. (I know plenty of owners who didn't have issues with their's though).
600 LT - four track days - no problems
720s; 20 + track days (had one problem and it was my own issue; put in aftermarket turn away pipes to meet sound limit at laguna and one of them fell off)
P1 - no issues on track (odd check engine light. turn on and off and issue fixed, clutch overheating (did too many laps). Went into paddock. went out one hour later and no issue)
650s - solid in every way
Sennna - never tracked
675 spider - coolant leak on first day on track (had less than 100 miles on it. Didn't break it in properly)
Various tracks have driving schools using different marque's. Sonoma raceway had it with the Mclarens for a couple of years (no way someone puts in money into a program like that if they are breaking down).
On my sixth one. Only one that wasn't reliable for me and I didn't know what was going to happen at a track day was my 675 coupe. (I know plenty of owners who didn't have issues with their's though).
600 LT - four track days - no problems
720s; 20 + track days (had one problem and it was my own issue; put in aftermarket turn away pipes to meet sound limit at laguna and one of them fell off)
P1 - no issues on track (odd check engine light. turn on and off and issue fixed, clutch overheating (did too many laps). Went into paddock. went out one hour later and no issue)
650s - solid in every way
Sennna - never tracked
675 spider - coolant leak on first day on track (had less than 100 miles on it. Didn't break it in properly)
Various tracks have driving schools using different marque's. Sonoma raceway had it with the Mclarens for a couple of years (no way someone puts in money into a program like that if they are breaking down).
06-05-2019, 01:53 PM
#55
Just so I’m clear:
Mclaren designed and produced a sports/track car from the ground up, using lessons learned from all other sports/track/race car manufacturers, emulating the dna from their own race car, not being bound to a design from 50 years ago, weighing 150lbs less than its competition, having 100 more hp than it’s competition, msrp of 50k greater than its competition, all with the conclusion of slower lap times than its competition.
And the response from the collective brain power of the auto world (which includes us) is “it is what it is.”
Another twilight zone vortex of logic?
Mclaren designed and produced a sports/track car from the ground up, using lessons learned from all other sports/track/race car manufacturers, emulating the dna from their own race car, not being bound to a design from 50 years ago, weighing 150lbs less than its competition, having 100 more hp than it’s competition, msrp of 50k greater than its competition, all with the conclusion of slower lap times than its competition.
And the response from the collective brain power of the auto world (which includes us) is “it is what it is.”
Another twilight zone vortex of logic?
06-05-2019, 02:25 PM
#56
Just so I’m clear:
Mclaren designed and produced a sports/track car from the ground up, using lessons learned from all other sports/track/race car manufacturers, emulating the dna from their own race car, not being bound to a design from 50 years ago, weighing 150lbs less than its competition, having 100 more hp than it’s competition, msrp of 50k greater than its competition, all with the conclusion of slower lap times than its competition.
And the response from the collective brain power of the auto world (which includes us) is “it is what it is.”
Another twilight zone vortex of logic?
Mclaren designed and produced a sports/track car from the ground up, using lessons learned from all other sports/track/race car manufacturers, emulating the dna from their own race car, not being bound to a design from 50 years ago, weighing 150lbs less than its competition, having 100 more hp than it’s competition, msrp of 50k greater than its competition, all with the conclusion of slower lap times than its competition.
And the response from the collective brain power of the auto world (which includes us) is “it is what it is.”
Another twilight zone vortex of logic?
06-05-2019, 02:27 PM
#57
There was a member here Ryan- who recently tracked his 3rs and the 600 on the same track, the same day. 600 was a lot faster. Hopefully he can chime in.
06-05-2019, 02:32 PM
#58
600 LT >GT2rs>GR3rs in his lap time. 720 was slower then these 3 (according to him, it had worn out P zero tires (not the corsas).
06-05-2019, 02:43 PM
#59
as far as the article is concerned, it's a non contest given the 3rs was on Cup2R it was always going to be quicker. The Cup2R are just a lot quicker a tyre than a Trofeo albeit one that wears even faster than the Pirelli.
not saying Mclaren are perfect as the cars are in general more fragile and less suited to being hammered on track even if they were built properly which isn't always the case but the cars are very very quick and imo do drive very well.
