Waxer

So despite it’s beastly TT 700 hp the 2RS is only 9 seconds faster over 14+ miles at the Ring and 1-2 seconds faster on most other tracks than the NA .2 3RS assuming all other things equal.

Will the 992 GT3 turn a faster time at the Ring and on most tracks than one or both 991 RS?

Will the 992 3RS eclipse the 2RS in track times?

Reason and why or why not.

GrantG

Pretty sure the 992 GT3 will be sub-7, but definitely not as fast as 991 2RS (and maybe not as fast as 991 3RS, but similar).

Seems as though the Cup2 R tires (and Goodyear RS) will be made in RS sizes only as a way to differentiate lap times from non-RS...

It is possible that next 3RS will be quicker than current 2RS though (but it may be hybrid or Turbo).

Waxer

I agree but both 3 and 3RS will remain NA. I think 992 RS will have 550 to 560 hp and 400 lbs of torque. It will have updated aero and chassis and nip out the 2RS track times.

992 GT3 will nip at the heels of the .2 3RS

djcxxx

I think it’s a guarantee that it will be faster. Still most unattractive 911 in my opinion, inside and out.

GrantG

Your suggestion that the RS will be both NA and have 400 ft-lbs of torque means the displacement would have to be about 4.6 Liters...

You cannot approach 100 ft-lbs per liter on pump gas, particularly with noise and emissions compliance. The 7-figure RSR makes 369 ft-lbs with race exhaust and no particle filters

Akunob

I bet is on the 992 3RS being faster, not the 992 GT3. Reasons in order of importance, (1) better tire technology, (2) better aero and (3) improved power-to-weight ratio in the 992 3RS.

Drifting

Agree. No way in hell will an NA 992 RS approach 400 ft lbs of torque. Waxer, do you realize that the last (.2) RS only gained 7 ft lbs of torque over the previous RS? How do you expect the new 992 RS to suddenly gain over 50 ft lbs of torque?

This is why I think either the first or second generation of the 992 RS will go hybrid as its the only way with the 911 platform to significantly increase the torque, as the engine volume is basically maxed out for the 911 platform.

Remember that exactly zero Porsche 911 based race cars have exceeded 4.0L. of capacity, and the 992 RS won't be getting a larger engine than what's already been in the race cars.

soulsea

I certainly hope that the 992 3RS is faster than the 991 2RS, that's the point of progress in motorsport. I don't have the numbers but I'm going to assume that a 991 3RS of any kind is faster than a 997 2RS on track.

And inevitably a 992 2RS will be faster that a 992 3RS, so you'll be right back where you are now ... you see the problem?

Izzone

Easy answer...add electric motor boost

GrantG

That may be coming. Lots of torque from zero rpm. Unfortunately, comes with a weight penalty...

AhsanU

The hope is that battery technology improves to a point where the weight penalty is completely overshadowed by the performance gains.

Berjar

I agree, but maybe Porsche will work some magic. It is hard for me to see how I would ever like the interior.

GrantG

I have no doubt that the net performance increase could be substantial. But you cannot add substantial weight and and not notice it subjectively. In my mind, the current GT3 already needs to lose weight (and some size too). So any weight gain (even if it's more than offset on an objective performance basis) is not going in the right direction for me. I'd rather take a power cut with a proportional weight drop than the opposite...

CAlexio

I think many things, but most are silly.

Here are two of them:

1. Nürburgring lap times by Porsche are fabricated or manipulated to fit within marketing needs.. so shouldn't be considered relevant parameters of performance.

2. Ability to produce significantly downforce matters more than power increases on NA cars, so if they have found a way to make 992 GT3 swan neck wing and other aero on 992 GT3 produce more downforce than RS.. then maybe could beat lap time. But any marginal HP increase between 991.2 & 992 won't make meaningful lap time difference... as it's all top end and achieved on long straights. If however aero increases, and somehow 992 gt3 can corner significantly faster (doubtful) then that could help beat RS times.

My hunch is they will magically achieve a perfectly slotted time which fits perfectly planned marketing objectives. Faster than 991, close to 991.2 RS, but "RS is RS". Blah blah.. marketing always wins.

GrantG

The big aero advance that could be coming is not the incremental increase in downforce by the swan neck. To me, that thing is bulky enough to contain an active mechanism to change the wing's angle of incidence. Drag is the big problem down the straight at the Nordschleife. If they can set the wing to low drag mode there and a few other fast spots, they'll lose a bunch of time from the Ring lap.

As far as RS is RS, they weren't afraid to let the 991.2 GT3 lap faster than 991.1 RS (including Manual GT3).