CAlexio

Judging by:

1. How the competition has moved the game forward
2. How big the opening in the groove is where spoiler fits in the mules,
3. The fact that the 911.2 turbo already had the movable/inflatable front spoiler...

I surmise that the 992 GT3 WILL have movable aero, both front and rear...

but I don't know what this implies for Nürburgring lap times.

AhsanU

An example of battery tech improvement would be making the batteries lighter, not just more powerful.So even if the output of the batteries remain the same as today, if they can make it significantly lighter in the upcoming years - I'm hoping Porsche will adopt it.

I also think it's unfair to claim that Porsche is going in the "wrong direction" with the GT3 in regards to weight. Yes, it is getting wider, bigger, heavier, but such is the reality of the world we live in today. With government regulations clamping down harder and harder (safety, emissions, etc.) it's becoming increasingly difficult to stay at a lower weight. I'm happy if the upcoming GT3 is only 10-25kg heavier than the outgoing 991.2, but we'll have to wait to see that.

Either way, I rejoice at the fact that Porsche is sticking to natural aspiration for the GT3. I'll happily take added weight if the end product is a glorious sound and truly linear powerband.

Drifting

Agree, and this is why I plan to keep my 991.2 GT3 for a decade and skip the 992 generation altogether. Though the 992 GT3 will be slightly faster on the Ring due to improved aero, tires, and 20 more HP from the 991.2 RS engine, it will also likely be over a 100 lbs heavier, possibly 140 lbs heavier just like the 992.1 carrera is to the 991.2 carrera. Plus it will have the unfortunate cosmetics of the 992.

I'd rather keep my 991.2 GT3 and make it anther 100 lbs lighter via lithium battery, side muffler delete, and lightweight wheels, (so possibly 200-240 lbs lighter than a stock 992 GT3) and drive the hell out of this lighter 991.2 GT3 vs the 992, while also skipping the ADM games of the 992 GT cars!

rickman_fr

The 992 GT3 RS will be faster than the 991 GT2 RS

more power 550/560 HP
9500 rpm
Closer ratios of the Gear box
better aero
same weight of 991.2 GT3 RS
better tires

GT3

And 992 GT3 will be faster than the 991.2 RS.

Waxer

All good comments and interesting insight.

Grant: Great technical input. I’m an attorney by practice (more grist for the mill here 🤪 ) and not that savy on auto tech. My main tool is a hammer.

I had zero clue where torque could be maxed out on the 4,0L.

in addition to 550 hp+ and an increase in torque I think the aero will be improved.

I agree red line will be increased to 9500 rpm too.

Maybe even improves braking.

Could they scoot the engine forward more in the GT cars ala’ RSR?

I do recall AP saying there was a lot more in the 4.0 in 2015/16. Not sure where it maxes out.

I think they will keep weight down on the 992 RS with cf panels front and rear.

Maybe even wider panels for the RS front and rear for wider track.

Not convinced on hybrid power. Too expensive and heavy.

Soulsea: No problem my friend except the only problem I see is the clock on NA GT cars is running out. Some prefer their gals “artificially enhanced” for their thrills. Some prefer natural and fit beauty.

Howydo

Any new GT3/RS that redlines at 9500 will be amazing ! That would likely be enough for me to trade my 991.2 GT3 RS in. I see one more generation of NA cars with better tires, gearbox, suspension and aero. That should be enough to beat current lap times for the NA cars. My bet is on the 992.2 being some sort of hybrid, however.

soulsea

I too too hope that the 992 GT3 and 3RS are full NA. But I wouldn’t get my hopes too high, I have been told by numerous people I trust that electric motors are in the cards for either or both of those two cars.

Waxer

Well at least electric motor are quiet so we will still have great NA sound. My concern is weight but I’m sure PAG will have it figured out.

GrantG

Me too - and don’t underestimate a good hammer

The RSR does more than scoot the engine forward - it swaps positions with the gearbox. I hope they continue to make rear engined cars - I prefer the way they drive...

CALSE

The margin will be made up by faster tire tech.

redmonkey928

Lets remember that with these cars power, displacement, torque are all important and that we all assume the next generation will have things like a higher RPM, power, etc. - but reliability needs to be there also. Just because PAG can generate more power doesn't mean they will as that will gain them nothing by having engines grenade at 20k miles - and they then are carrying the expense of engine warranties on cars sold.

They are a for profit company at the end of the day - just enough changes to convince you that you need the 992 GT3/RS over your 991.2 GT3/RS.

Brosef

I think active aero is going to be the biggest change in the next gen. there's definitely top end speed left on the table on the tracks with long straights (esp. the Nordschleife). that and a longer gear ratio to stretch the GT3 / RS beyond 200mph could shave serious time off

soulsea

Well sound aside, your original question was in regards to performance.

Engines come in three categories these days.

1. ICE only
2. ICE + something else (turbo/sc/electric)
3. Something else only (full electric/hydrogen)

Category 2 is always going to be a question of compromise between performance efficiency vs other concerns like weight, sound, cost, etc ... but ICE + TT or ICE + electric are both in category 2.

You may prefer one type of compromise over another, for example electric over TT if you value sound but that preference doesn't put it in category 1.

At the end of the day it's either going to be an unassisted NA engine or it is not, no matter how our biases may choose to interpret it.

acey81

Since the 992 gt3 will have rs sized tires, and therefore being able to take the cup2 r the lap times will be much improved compared to the 991.