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Old 05-16-2019, 02:18 PM
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The cool part is that Porsche will build more 992 GT3s & GT3RSs than they built 991 GT3s & GT3RSs so we can worry about values less.
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Just wonder how long dealers will be able to keep the charade up.
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As long as there is a free market economy.

For a peasant such as myself looking to get into a .2 gt3/rs - What do you guys mean here with the production numbers? Im guessing nothing has been stated??

As others, in a way I would like to have an idea of what market value will do once acquired... (not determining factor but always good to know)
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:57 PM
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^^^US production pretty well known. There are dedicated threads for Gt3, 3rs and 2rs that have kept up with it.
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dxbtousa View Post
For a peasant such as myself looking to get into a .2 gt3/rs - What do you guys mean here with the production numbers? Im guessing nothing has been stated??

As others, in a way I would like to have an idea of what market value will do once acquired... (not determining factor but always good to know)
Simple. I think the 991 GT3 and RS will depreciate like a McLaren or any other expensive sport car going forward now that they are building what the market will bear. So plan on 50% depreciation in the first 3-5 years. If you do better than that, then you won! If you can't stomach that big a hit, buy a used 997 or 991.1. Those have already taken a lot of the initial hit and won't be as painful at the 991.2 will be.
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by joejenie View Post
Simple. I think the 991 GT3 and RS will depreciate like a McLaren or any other expensive sport car going forward now that they are building what the market will bear. So plan on 50% depreciation in the first 3-5 years. If you do better than that, then you won! If you can't stomach that big a hit, buy a used 997 or 991.1. Those have already taken a lot of the initial hit and won't be as painful at the 991.2 will be.
I think the 992, while it will perform better, will be viewed as a step is the wrong direction design wise (similar to, but not as bad as, the 996), which will result is the 991.2 GT3RS values holding well. I would be surprised if this ultimately is not the case.
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by joejenie View Post
Simple. I think the 991 GT3 and RS will depreciate like a McLaren or any other expensive sport car going forward now that they are building what the market will bear. So plan on 50% depreciation in the first 3-5 years. If you do better than that, then you won! If you can't stomach that big a hit, buy a used 997 or 991.1. Those have already taken a lot of the initial hit and won't be as painful at the 991.2 will be.
hard to imagine a world where a 991.2 GT3 is going for $80k after 5 years and 15k miles (since nobody really puts many miles on them). or a 991.2 GT3 RS going for $100k. new car prices continue to go up, and there are fewer and fewer naturally aspirated alternatives with each new model year.
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:57 PM
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Porsche is making Cabriolets with a GT3 engine, and they are cashing big on it. Porsche just agreed to pay a nice fine for the Porsche-Diesel-derived-VW-Dieselgate-Scandal, and part of Rennlist will contribute with the Porsche Ag stock holders to get their money back.

I'm awaiting for a GT3 Pick-up, GT3 Wagon, and it would be nice if they build a GT3 Targa 4S with rear seats.

Speedster at MSRP, good deal, 991R at MSRP good deal, any other 991 GT car and the Touring at MSRP will lose value like all other brands (try tranding a 3 years old Huracan or 488 today to get a dose of reality).

^^^OP: dump the 991R, the Speedster will do everything better. When 992 GT3RS is out trade the 991.2 GT3RS, in the meantime visit the racetracks you have within a 12 hours driving distance. There won't be a 992 GT3RS on your hands for at least 2 years, what are you going to track? If you don't track, dump the GT3RS because it makes no sense as a street or cars&wine car.
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Old 05-16-2019, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by joejenie View Post
Simple. I think the 991 GT3 and RS will depreciate like a McLaren or any other expensive sport car going forward now that they are building what the market will bear. So plan on 50% depreciation in the first 3-5 years. If you do better than that, then you won! If you can't stomach that big a hit, buy a used 997 or 991.1. Those have already taken a lot of the initial hit and won't be as painful at the 991.2 will be.
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I think the 992, while it will perform better, will be viewed as a step is the wrong direction design wise (similar to, but not as bad as, the 996), which will result is the 991.2 GT3RS values holding well. I would be surprised if this ultimately is not the case.
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hard to imagine a world where a 991.2 GT3 is going for $80k after 5 years and 15k miles (since nobody really puts many miles on them). or a 991.2 GT3 RS going for $100k. new car prices continue to go up, and there are fewer and fewer naturally aspirated alternatives with each new model year.
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Porsche is making Cabriolets with a GT3 engine, and they are cashing big on it. Porsche just agreed to pay a nice fine for the Porsche-Diesel-derived-VW-Dieselgate-Scandal, and part of Rennlist will contribute with the Porsche Ag stock holders to get their money back.

I'm awaiting for a GT3 Pick-up, GT3 Wagon, and it would be nice if they build a GT3 Targa 4S with rear seats.

Speedster at MSRP, good deal, 991R at MSRP good deal, any other 991 GT car and the Touring at MSRP will lose value like all other brands (try tranding a 3 years old Huracan or 488 today to get a dose of reality).

^^^OP: dump the 991R, the Speedster will do everything better. When 992 GT3RS is out trade the 991.2 GT3RS, in the meantime visit the racetracks you have within a 12 hours driving distance. There won't be a 992 GT3RS on your hands for at least 2 years, what are you going to track? If you don't track, dump the GT3RS because it makes no sense as a street or cars&wine car.

Lots of good arguments either side !

Talking about acquiring a gen1 makes sense as they've experienced a large part of the depreciation already I agree with this (of course like any few year old car really) but at the same time the speculation for lightly used/cpo gen 2 RS holding some value due to the appeal nearly makes sense in my simple mind as well.... Guess time will tell and will probably be happy either way once the deal is done!
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Old 05-16-2019, 04:23 PM
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The GT3 RS is very comfortable on the street and can be used for street use (toy) with light track duty if thatís whatís desired. There will only be around 1800 991.2 GT3 RS in all of NA by end of production (hardly a big number). While I agree itíll depreciate I believe 50% at three years isnít reality. A nice spec RS with 10k miles or less is more likely to depreciate 40-50k over 3 years. Mclarenís depreciate MUCH MUCH more. Either way the RS and GT cars in general are amazing cars and they are quality engineered machines. Iíll enjoy mine and worry about values when I go to sell it.

I also think thereís at least a decent chance the 992 will be turbocharged or hybrid. If this is the case then the 991.2 GT cars will all be highly sought after.
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Old 05-16-2019, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Howydo View Post
The GT3 RS is very comfortable on the street and can be used for street use (toy) with light track duty if thatís whatís desired. There will only be around 1800 991.2 GT3 RS in all of NA by end of production (hardly a big number). While I agree itíll depreciate I believe 50% at three years isnít reality. A nice spec RS with 10k miles or less is more likely to depreciate 40-50k over 3 years. Mclarenís depreciate MUCH MUCH more. Either way the RS and GT cars in general are amazing cars and they are quality engineered machines. Iíll enjoy mine and worry about values when I go to sell it.

I also think thereís at least a decent chance the 992 will be turbocharged or hybrid. If this is the case then the 991.2 GT cars will all be highly sought after.
If the 992 was turbocharged or hybrid, then I agree, it will not depreciate as much. But other than that, what has happened in the past doesn't guarantee the future on the value of these cars. Again, Porsche made a lot more this time than any time in history. More supply means lower prices. 50% might be a little much but look at the 991.1 3RS already. They are going for $20-30k under MSRP now when they went for $50k over. That is close to a $100k loss in 3 years. I fully expect my 3RS (bloated 245k build) to be worth $150k max in 3 years. I hope I'm wrong.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:02 PM
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In 992 forum page i read something about 992 RS being at some anniversary point sa it can mean also some special models.
I olso bet on some manual version for RS.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by joejenie View Post
If the 992 was turbocharged or hybrid, then I agree, it will not depreciate as much. But other than that, what has happened in the past doesn't guarantee the future on the value of these cars. Again, Porsche made a lot more this time than any time in history. More supply means lower prices. 50% might be a little much but look at the 991.1 3RS already. They are going for $20-30k under MSRP now when they went for $50k over. That is close to a $100k loss in 3 years. I fully expect my 3RS (bloated 245k build) to be worth $150k max in 3 years. I hope I'm wrong.
$20k to $30k under MSRP after multiple years is 10% to 15% total depreciation from MSRP. I think $40k to $50k off MSRP is more realistic, but even that is 20 - 25% depreciation. Not bad. ADM's are a separate story.

I think the right way to look at it is depreciation per mile though. and generally, I think the more miles you put on it (and therefore the more enjoyment you get out of it), the better you do in that regard. the bubble burst over a year ago, and the ghost has been given up - it's no longer a collector's car, but a car to be owned and enjoyed for its intended use now. that's what it should have been all along
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tvasbn View Post
In 992 forum page i read something about 992 RS being at some anniversary point sa it can mean also some special models.
I olso bet on some manual version for RS.
I figured that 2023 is the 50th anniversary of the 1973 RS. I could see a badass 50th anniversary RS for sure. Hopefully the economy still isn't roaring along so I can get one without a 6 figure ADM.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:30 PM
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Are we talking values again?
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:32 PM
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Are we talking values again?
It's Thursday...duh!
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