Nannies?
05-15-2019, 05:52 PM
#16
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Thought I recognized this name from M3F. The nannies are 2439038425x better in the GT3 than our E46s. I always turn my DSC off in the E46, but I haven't found the need to do so in the GT3 on track yet. Maybe if I jump the shark and make this a dedicated track car on slicks, but for most of us the nannies are fine.
05-15-2019, 06:01 PM
#17
Three Wheelin'
What has been stated above is all true. It can be a difficult concept to accept for some, though. ESC system use can be a religious crusade for some people who are convinced there is no such thing as a good esc system. I've had multiple people accuse me of being a clueless driver only because the systems are on. Of course, none of them have driven a late model Porsche to see for themselves. They all say I would crash in an older car. Except I have a race car from 1991 with no abs, no power steering, no esc, and I do pretty well in racing. These guys also tend to be not so good at driving themselves. I'm not willing to let go of a safety net on a 200k car just to satisfy a bunch of people I couldn't care less about.
Can the system cause bad habits if don't know what you are doing? Yes. Does it mean it can't be used properly? No.
Can the system cause bad habits if don't know what you are doing? Yes. Does it mean it can't be used properly? No.
05-15-2019, 06:06 PM
#18
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by MayorAdamWest
About to head out to the track again with the new RS and trying to remember what I did in the .1 GT3. My recollection was holding the ESC button to either turn it off or put it in sport mode (don't remember) but always left TC on. What's been your practice, Joe? Just Sport PDK Manual mode and that's it?
Tc on
Sport exhaust on
Pdk sport auto mode
Pasm firm mode
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05-15-2019, 06:37 PM
#19
Bingo. I drove my BMW 1M with the nannies off 100% of the time because they were so intrusive and ham-fisted. On the GT3 I almost never switch them off on the street because I simply don't need too (and because I have great respect for the 1-2 flat shift, especially on cool tires). I do however always switch them off when competing- they are still limiting if you drive... "flamboyantly", shall we say. Though that's mainly at lower (autocross) speeds.
05-15-2019, 06:59 PM
#20
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They don't stop you from doing stupid things so I'd say they are really good.
What they do in real life I'm not sure of as I don't lean on them. I'm pretty sure that I was saved once in Wipperman (on the Ring).
I also know that I was not saved in Aremberg
When the lamp starts to blink it says: "You are doing wrong - try it another way".
Technically As I understands it there is Stabilization which helps you when you are about to loose the car like when over steering
Next level is anti spin which helps you not loosing traction.
As mentioned before there is big difference driving a BMW with systems on and a Porsche.
The BMW you must turn off the systems otherwise the car is over protecting (generally speaking).
In my Porsche's I leave nannies on and in BMW's I turn them off - unless it is wet then I might turn nannies on/off during driving depending on the situation.
What they do in real life I'm not sure of as I don't lean on them. I'm pretty sure that I was saved once in Wipperman (on the Ring).
I also know that I was not saved in Aremberg
When the lamp starts to blink it says: "You are doing wrong - try it another way".
Technically As I understands it there is Stabilization which helps you when you are about to loose the car like when over steering
Next level is anti spin which helps you not loosing traction.
As mentioned before there is big difference driving a BMW with systems on and a Porsche.
The BMW you must turn off the systems otherwise the car is over protecting (generally speaking).
In my Porsche's I leave nannies on and in BMW's I turn them off - unless it is wet then I might turn nannies on/off during driving depending on the situation.
What has been stated above is all true. It can be a difficult concept to accept for some, though. ESC system use can be a religious crusade for some people who are convinced there is no such thing as a good esc system. I've had multiple people accuse me of being a clueless driver only because the systems are on. Of course, none of them have driven a late model Porsche to see for themselves. They all say I would crash in an older car. Except I have a race car from 1991 with no abs, no power steering, no esc, and I do pretty well in racing. These guys also tend to be not so good at driving themselves. I'm not willing to let go of a safety net on a 200k car just to satisfy a bunch of people I couldn't care less about.
Can the system cause bad habits if don't know what you are doing? Yes. Does it mean it can't be used properly? No.
Can the system cause bad habits if don't know what you are doing? Yes. Does it mean it can't be used properly? No.
05-15-2019, 07:24 PM
#21
^ This! I haven’t found nannies on Porsches to be particularly intrusive not hindering on track, thus why turn them off when they might actually help in the event of that tail-event miscue when they would be welcomed.
05-15-2019, 08:25 PM
#22
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This has been an interesting thread. If Orthojoe and Trakcar, who have much track experience, and are likely better drivers than me, both advocate for keeping the nannies on, then I plan to definitely keep them on while on the track at high speeds with other cars around me, walls, etc.
But my question to the group is this, if I do turn off both ESC and TC to play around with the car on back roads for a more "pure" experience, is there still some kind of residual basic safety nanny in this rear engined car? I thought one of the early.1 GT3 reviews stated there was no way to completely turn off the nannies, but that turning off both ESC/TC just changed the threshhold significantly before the nannies would kick in. Anyone know for certain? Maybe C.J.?
I do remember on RL right after .1 GT3 came out, there was a big discussion about ESC and TC, and the consensus was to just leave both on or turn both off as turning just one system off didn't accomplish anything useful. So on empty backroads I was thinking of playing around with having both systems off..........
But my question to the group is this, if I do turn off both ESC and TC to play around with the car on back roads for a more "pure" experience, is there still some kind of residual basic safety nanny in this rear engined car? I thought one of the early.1 GT3 reviews stated there was no way to completely turn off the nannies, but that turning off both ESC/TC just changed the threshhold significantly before the nannies would kick in. Anyone know for certain? Maybe C.J.?
I do remember on RL right after .1 GT3 came out, there was a big discussion about ESC and TC, and the consensus was to just leave both on or turn both off as turning just one system off didn't accomplish anything useful. So on empty backroads I was thinking of playing around with having both systems off..........
05-15-2019, 10:01 PM
#24
Thought I recognized this name from M3F. The nannies are 2439038425x better in the GT3 than our E46s. I always turn my DSC off in the E46, but I haven't found the need to do so in the GT3 on track yet. Maybe if I jump the shark and make this a dedicated track car on slicks, but for most of us the nannies are fine.
05-15-2019, 10:02 PM
#25
This has been an interesting thread. If Orthojoe and Trakcar, who have much track experience, and are likely better drivers than me, both advocate for keeping the nannies on, then I plan to definitely keep them on while on the track at high speeds with other cars around me, walls, etc.
But my question to the group is this, if I do turn off both ESC and TC to play around with the car on back roads for a more "pure" experience, is there still some kind of residual basic safety nanny in this rear engined car? I thought one of the early.1 GT3 reviews stated there was no way to completely turn off the nannies, but that turning off both ESC/TC just changed the threshhold significantly before the nannies would kick in. Anyone know for certain? Maybe C.J.?
I do remember on RL right after .1 GT3 came out, there was a big discussion about ESC and TC, and the consensus was to just leave both on or turn both off as turning just one system off didn't accomplish anything useful. So on empty backroads I was thinking of playing around with having both systems off..........
But my question to the group is this, if I do turn off both ESC and TC to play around with the car on back roads for a more "pure" experience, is there still some kind of residual basic safety nanny in this rear engined car? I thought one of the early.1 GT3 reviews stated there was no way to completely turn off the nannies, but that turning off both ESC/TC just changed the threshhold significantly before the nannies would kick in. Anyone know for certain? Maybe C.J.?
I do remember on RL right after .1 GT3 came out, there was a big discussion about ESC and TC, and the consensus was to just leave both on or turn both off as turning just one system off didn't accomplish anything useful. So on empty backroads I was thinking of playing around with having both systems off..........
05-15-2019, 10:44 PM
#26
RL Community Team
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I always keep my "nannies" on. Because I am not smarter than the the guys at Porsche Motorsport.
05-15-2019, 11:22 PM
#28
Off is less consistent obviously. Also as speed climbs I’m less comfortable and there is less benefit to sliding things around. That said all the top Porsche autocross drivers I know (including multiple PCA national champs) drive even the recent GT cars with everything off because it’s clearly quicker on most courses. Probably only slightly, but still.
None of us are smarter than Porsche Motorsports, but some of us can be smarter than the car. The car has no idea that it’s ok to let the wheels spin up over these particular bumps because the road is smoothing out and straightening ahead.
Last edited by Petevb; 05-15-2019 at 11:39 PM.
05-15-2019, 11:36 PM
#29
Burning Brakes
I'm an experienced autoxer, and like mentioned above, that's the only place I turn my TSC off. It's a great place to find the limits the car in a safe environment, with no nannies. I never turn it off on the street, as there's not enough room for error. I plan to track my car soon and will leave everything on.
05-15-2019, 11:52 PM
#30
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^ off for autocross, although all I experience is understeer!