Spec Cermics or no?
05-09-2019, 10:23 AM
#1
Racer
Thread Starter
Spec Cermics or no?
Fairly simple question. I had a 997 Turbo which had ceramics. I'm on the verge of starting the process to find my ideal GT4 or GT3 (991.1) and can't decide if I want ceramics or not. The purpose of the car is going to be primarily a daily driven canyon carver. I would like to the car on the track a couple times a year which I know every typically says to use steel brakes.
With that said, ceramics or steel brakes?
With that said, ceramics or steel brakes?
05-09-2019, 10:56 AM
#2
Rennlist Member
05-09-2019, 10:57 AM
#3
Fairly simple question. I had a 997 Turbo which had ceramics. I'm on the verge of starting the process to find my ideal GT4 or GT3 (991.1) and can't decide if I want ceramics or not. The purpose of the car is going to be primarily a daily driven canyon carver. I would like to the car on the track a couple times a year which I know every typically says to use steel brakes.
With that said, ceramics or steel brakes?
With that said, ceramics or steel brakes?
05-09-2019, 11:10 AM
#5
Race Director
Tracking a car a few times a year 3-6 times and having PCCB is fine. These rotors with proper pad maintenance are reported to last (depending on driver and track) 40 or so track days. My GT3 has PCCB. I am really enjoying them. No brake dust to deal with and they stop great on the street. I've done a track day and after the 1-2 warm up laps getting them warm they worked great.
05-09-2019, 11:12 AM
#6
Rennlist Member
I wouldn't order any 911 or GT car without PCCBs unless I was heavily tracking. The braking, no-dust, gorgeous looks, and longevity make them an easy choice for me. My last three GT cars all had them... love them and would never go back. Btw, since you obviously don't need 6MT, go for the 991.1 GT3. I owned both the GT4 and .1 GT3 and GT3 is on whole other level... and for only barely more money than a GT4 and with way longer warranty. 991.1 GT3 is a steal these days.
^^ This ^^
05-09-2019, 12:40 PM
#7
Rennlist Member
I agree with @Bobby 911 - that being said the cheapest way to get PCCB's is the factory option - _IF_ you choose the track the car swapping to giro-discs for tracking is an affordable option, and then you keep the PCCB's off to the side and have them for when you no longer aggressively track the car, or choose to sell it.
PCCB's are the most desirable configuration in modern 911's and the _ONLY_ know downside is replacement costs should you heavily wear them due to track use…which is easily dealt with via straight forward swapping of some off the shelf and abundant parts.
PCCB's are wonderful for all other applications and really enhance the car.
PCCB's are the most desirable configuration in modern 911's and the _ONLY_ know downside is replacement costs should you heavily wear them due to track use…which is easily dealt with via straight forward swapping of some off the shelf and abundant parts.
PCCB's are wonderful for all other applications and really enhance the car.
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05-09-2019, 12:51 PM
#8
Racer
Think about it this way: the PCCBs will depreciate maybe 25%, the car will depreciate a lot more. For $10k option, you can recoup that cost anytime for $7.5k And if you keep on the car, will definitely help overall resale in addition to the benefits mentioned above.
05-09-2019, 01:39 PM
#9
Race Car
Where’s that data from? I’ve been under the impression PCCB depreciates basically 100%. Note: I have PCCB and like them - I don’t buy with depreciation in mind.
05-09-2019, 01:49 PM
#10
Burning Brakes
PCCB's...all day. I have a GT4 with irons and a .2 GT3 with PCCBs. The bite and grip on the PCCBs is noticeable.
As for canyon carving and daily driving, I would choose the GT4. It's lighter and more fun in the turns and the 6MT is perfectly engaging and more satisfying. The GT3 puts down a lot more power, but it feels big and heavy. My advice is to try both and see what works best for you. In either case...get the PCCB's, unless you plan on tracking it heavily.
As for canyon carving and daily driving, I would choose the GT4. It's lighter and more fun in the turns and the 6MT is perfectly engaging and more satisfying. The GT3 puts down a lot more power, but it feels big and heavy. My advice is to try both and see what works best for you. In either case...get the PCCB's, unless you plan on tracking it heavily.
Last edited by C5driver; 05-09-2019 at 02:29 PM.
05-09-2019, 01:52 PM
#11
I wouldn't order any 911 or GT car without PCCBs unless I was heavily tracking. The braking, no-dust, gorgeous looks, and longevity make them an easy choice for me. My last three GT cars all had them... love them and would never go back. Btw, since you obviously don't need 6MT, go for the 991.1 GT3. I owned both the GT4 and .1 GT3 and GT3 is on whole other level... and for only barely more money than a GT4 and with way longer warranty. 991.1 GT3 is a steal these days.
05-09-2019, 02:02 PM
#12
Racer
Think a couple of OEM sets sold for about $7.5k-$8k in classifieds.
05-09-2019, 02:05 PM
#13
Three Wheelin'
I went steel on my RS. Downside, brake dust. No big notice in change from bite on my pccb in gt4. With that said, my gt4 with 20ish track days had less than 50% life left. So maybe 40ish track days like posted by another is correct.
Other option. Spec steel. Buy RB/SST ceramics for 10-12k with refurbish option/last longer If you track. Come time to sell, replace with your new OE steel and sell ceramics on rennlist.
Other option. Spec steel. Buy RB/SST ceramics for 10-12k with refurbish option/last longer If you track. Come time to sell, replace with your new OE steel and sell ceramics on rennlist.
Last edited by Buteo; 05-09-2019 at 02:55 PM.
05-09-2019, 02:22 PM
#14
I agree. I remember when I first got PCCBs, it was on my 991.1 Turbo S. I never fell in love with the car, but it was love at first feel with the PCCBs. I tried steels again when I bought my GT4 and regretted it.
05-09-2019, 02:36 PM
#15
Rennlist Member
Not if you find spec with Black Satin wheels. Have Steelies with Black wheels on my GT4 and dont notice break dust. that's with a couple of track and autoX events. If black wheels arent your thing, then my vote is for PCCBs. As for re-couping the value of PCCBs, if they are worn down prior to resale, buyer will factor replacement costs in the purchase so you will take a hit. I always consider the remaining wear life when buying one with.