hashash

+1

Waxer

That stuff would never be tolerated in U.S. with any DE organization.

Kobalt

That is because this is just a regular toll road In Europe

FourT6and2

What wouldn't be tolerated? Driving fast on a race track? Passing people? Both of those things happen at every track day everywhere.

Waxer

Mixing groups of very slow with very fast and no rules regarding passing.

hushypushy

Yet, there are rules about passing during Touristenfahrten. The standard German road traffic regulations still apply, including the rule to keep right unless passing.

Seb is a very good driver, I don't see the cause for alarm

FourT6and2

There are passing rules on the Ring. And the people in that video aren't neglecting them. In the US, in more experienced run groups, you can pass wherever, without a point-by, depending on the organization hosting the event. As far as mixing experienced drivers with novices... sure, that's true. But that's the "ethic" at the Ring.

mdrums

Chin mixes advanced solo with novice for 1hr at the end of the day. No problems really.

I see no problem with the drivers in the video...they’re Germans and use to this. ;-)

737Drvr

Awesome Videos! Thanks for sharing. Does anyone doubt these cars Ring times now. Makes me want a 2RS and proud to own a Performante. It did very well despite its power deficit.

Waxer

Not questioning Seb’s ability. It’s the other guys.

Yes, in NASA and HOD sometimes Open rum groups run with novice at the end of day but point by rules of novice group apply

hushypushy

IIRC there was one car they passed on the right, a BMW that was a little slow to move over, and of course the little scare on the entry to Wehrseifen. Otherwise, the whole video seemed pretty much par for the course--nothing really sketchy or alarming. Was it a calm, slow lap that would not raise even your grandma's heart rate? Well, no--but I think there is a lot of overreaction in this thread about "insane" driving.

I see your point about mixed skill levels, but saying "that wouldn't be tolerated in the USA" isn't really an argument for anything, especially when it comes to driving. The entire concept of the Nurburgring Nordschleife Touristenfahrten--a one way public toll road with no speed limit and no helmet rules--wouldn't be tolerated here either.

GrantG

Well said

Whoopsy

Unless one is a complete newbie, even just a lap on the Ring one would noticed how other drivers react and can act accordingly.

When you see someone in front and they see you coming up quickly, they would have already moved to the side and have blinkers on for the passing maneuver to happen.

While others might see you but they have already committed to a passing maneuver for themselves, they will also move away asap.

Maybe the dangerous ones are the one that don't check their mirrors and wandering around the track, but one can identity them VERY quickly, as they will be off the racing line. That's just means extra caution and preparation work, like showing up on their mirrors or sight line to get them to noticed.

Most passes are done passing on the driver side, like highways, unless of course the other car move left, say outside of right turns to give way.

Pretty much everyone that gets on the Ring check their mirrors all the time, so it's hard to find a single 'moron' there.

Crash between 2 cars is actually pretty rare, most accidents there are single car where the individual pushed way too hard and beyond their ability.

Most people on the Ring are Germans, and they can drive much better than American or Canadian drivers to start with. 80% of people with drivers license here in North America wouldn't have pass the German license road test.

Most Europeans have also experienced the German autobahn, so high speed does't even remotely scare them like it does to North American drivers.

evilfij

Hot take on American and Canadian drivers whoop.

Waxer

They clearly have different risk tolerance levels there. Clearly.