Waxer

Bingo. That’s my point with the H to H times. Worn/tired Cup R tires were clearly at play.

RockyTopTenn

Sadly. Very true...

Hams955

What's the realistic price of a 600LT?

zmangt3

It depends on how you option it but 270 to 300 ish. With not many being built you are not seeing discounts as in the higher produced cars. They were suppose to be built for 1 year but I have been told they stopped short which really held down production numbers.

acey81

Didn't stop short, but the demand simply isn't there as people have learned from the 570 and 675 that prices won't hold and that you are looking at losing 100k the first year with some miles and options.

Amazing car, however.

zmangt3

Not sure where you are getting your info from? Also where do you come up with 100k the first year?? Even the 570 which as been mass produced is about 62% after 3 years the same as a Carerra. With 7 to 800 produced (rough numbers) depreciation will be better. Heck I even looked into a lease and they were at a 67% residual for a 3 year lease much better residual than Porsche. I think a lot of people shoot from the hip on depreciation numbers on different brands. I continually run numbers ( I am a numbers geek) on Ferrari, lambo, Porsche and Mac and depending on models they are all pretty close. Of course low production models are much better.

There are 12 for sale nationwide at last check. I was told that production stopped on the coupe already which is short of a year

acey81

We will see. Production hasn't stopped, cars with so options still being produced. My local dealer has two unsold in stock (only advertising one). Discounts at 5-8% available. No over sticker pricing. Maybe the situation is different in the us, but in Europe this is the reality.

In a way this is same, and since there are no speculators left doing McLaren's it means that normal enthusiasts can get the car they want. But most people will still have a Ferrari, Lamborghini or Porsche so it is an expensive game as most McLaren buyers only want the latest and greatest.

zmangt3

Just to show the shooting from the hip depreciation numbers that are constantly posted ( 100k in the first year) a 2016 675lt that sold for 365k in 2016 to day is averaging 260 to 290k after 3 years. If we use the low number of 260k that is a 29% drop in 3 years which is excellent.

The only reason McLaren is growing so fast at this point is they are producing a great fresh product and a lot of Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche customers are jumping ship to McLaren. This will increase demand which wasn't in play back with the 2015 models.

9914s

[QUOTE=zmangt3;15786040]Gt3 Isn’t either. The RS is.

zmangt3

[QUOTE=9914s;15787133][QUOTE=zmangt3;15786040]
Gt3 Isn’t either. The RS is.[/QUOT

Gt3 isnt designed for the track? The gts is more like the 570.

Waxer

These numbers speak for themselves. 33% to 50% drop in value in ~2 years. MP412C even worse. Quality issues real or perceived don’t help either.

If Mac could sell more of them they would and will. Kinda like Mueller. If there was a basis to seek indictment he would have.

Im not a hater. Saw a new 600LT at a C & C. Loved it. However, I am not in a position to lose 33% to 50% on a car at these altitudes and just laugh it off. Clearly some are. Good for them.

As to quality, diesel gate had nothing to do with this. Porsche produces far more cars than Ferrari or Lambo or Mac and relatively speaking their products are very reliable and the company stands behind the product as shown with the 2014/2015 GT3s and how they handled this issue with the owners.

Porsche GT cars provide unrivaled performance for the dollar, quality, reliability, durability and unmatched resale value. Whatever you want to attribute their great resale value matters not a wit to me. It’s the bottom line that matters.

Gary(SF)

[QUOTE=9914s;15787133]I thought all GT Porsches were considered track worthy. Just because it's not as fast as a 3RS, which in turn is not as fast as a 2RS, doesn't make it any less track oriented. It's got aero, great rubber, upgraded motor, etc.

Gary(SF)

>>Kinda like Mueller. If there was a basis to seek indictment he would have.<<

We're digressing from car talk, which is probably a mistake, but Mueller made it clear he would not attempt to indict a sitting president, and also made it clear he could "not exonerate" Trump. The Mueller Report is an extremely damaging document for Trump.

zmangt3

I think the safety of the gt3 depreciation ship has sailed. 30% over 3 yrs is standard...you have to pay to play.

The 720 is being over produced. The mp4 was prior to maclaren taking other brands customers . The LT production numbers are much lower.

2015 gt3s can be had for 50k off msrp if you look for one thats been driven

zmangt3

Based on how many valuation threads are on here there are a lot of porsche gt owners that really cant afford to be here. However because the cars have been holding value the purchase can be justified. As we can see that is changing and there is concern from these buyers so they keep starting value threads.
As of this am there are many many more gt porsches for sale than mclaren Lt cars of course more porsches were produced. The tide is changing fast and these buyers i describe will be jumping ship as there stability leaves