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unotaz

I would agree with your statement below. I have met quite a few Touring owners and from my conversations with Exclusive personnels, it would appear that Touring owners love to spend $$$ on CXX on their beloved cars. While I have no real statistics in front of me, I bet you Touring owners on-average spend more $$$ than regular GT3 clients on specs. Why? I think the 911R had a lot to do with it. 911R had one of the highest take rates on CXX options in the history of the 991 model line. There were a lot of unique builds and those became an inspiration for many Porsche clients. A lot of people wanted the R but couldn't get the allocation, so when the Touring model was introduced, many people jump at the chance to create their own unique car, inspired by what they had seen with the various 911R builds.

In the end, Porsche wins!

Maverick11

Agree that a touring is for folks that don't want the wing. Still a GT3. But where do we draw the line? Back seats? Convertible? Street comfort suspension? Lots of threads recently asking for this stuff.

Jrtaylor9

Because I can get it in clubsport in Europe and it's a Swiss Army knife; it does it all. And honestly, I really don't care if it has a wing or not. Its just an appearance thing and I'm indifferent; i just drive them either way and they drive relatively the same, only I get a cage and harnesses in the CS (which has a wing). And I get a manual to try out on the street. I've had both 991 3rs in pdk already. So the manual box was a novelty i wanted to experience. Don't anyone worry about it being flipped. It's getting driven in the hail, on track, slowly



So, yes, I'd own an RS w/wing and pdk for mostly track (as I have in the past). This winged manual CS also let me try out the street/touring thing and that's where I'm left kinda scratching my head on that concept after owning it. My impression is that it's a blast on track (slower than RS but just as much fun), but marginal as a touring car. Ripping the wing off the back and adding some leather inside wouldn't change that impression. Hence the thread.

TexasPorschelover

Well its turned into and awesome thread! Bottom line is that Porsche has a car for you for what ever you plan to do and they are and always have been super cars on the street and the track. I wish I had seen the yellow beast when it was in town by the way!

Jrtaylor9

Haha, yeah, I knew I'd poke a beehive when I posted this thread. Was a legit opinion; no trolling implied. And no mention of values. Nonetheless I knew it would get some response. The touring crowd is a passionate one

And your green touring is a beaut and a keeper.

tonymission

Probably true on the spec. There are a lot of really "nice" Touring builds even if a lot of that money won't be returned. Conversations here always seem to center around "this is the perfect stripper spec, exactly how it should be", but that points the focus more on resale of the car and extracting maximum value. I have a 201k sticker myself on a Touring and I know a lot of people think that's crazy, but when I get into the car I almost always take a second to look around and take in the beauty of the cockpit. It seems to add to my personal enjoyment and sense of occasion for me.

bluehorseshoe

911R is more of a Touring with its more supple suspension and road demeanor! GT3 Touring would have made a better 911R. Porsche got the names mixed up. Nevertheless, both are quite extraordinary.

isv

There's not that much difference between the magride damper and the PASM one though. Ok the magride damper has a greater range but fundamentally the car's damping has to be matched to the springs it's fitted with unless you go to something like the Tenneco hydraulic system on the Mclaren. Quality of damper is more important than the type imo.

Akunob

For some, like my buddy in his winged chalk .2 GT3 with a MT, the thrill is in the engagement and added skill required at the track while rowing his own gears. Yes, his car has auto rev-matching etc, which makes things a lot easier but quite a few folks really enjoy shifting gears the traditional way (i.e., with a third pedal) vs. merely paddle shifting on the track. Ironically, I think the the perception that the PDK GT3 is much faster on track than the MT GT3 has been debunked quite a bit. The advantage on track is not really about faster shift speeds (the .2 GT3 MT has full throttle shifting) but how the PDK can adjust gearing mid-corner, if needed. The differences in laptimes in the hands of a decent driver is in the 1/10th of seconds and not 2-3 full secs on a 2 mins lap track.

Perimeter

About 6 months ago, CAlexio had a great retort about several parameters that Porsche needed to alter to remove that wing to create a Touring. I searched and couldn't find it but it logically called out several differences between the two cars; Winged and GT3T
I believe GM holds that patent....

unotaz

There is not patent from GM, as Ferrari and a few other manufacturers have used these shocks already. These shocks are coming from Delphi, who supplies the industry anyways.

The Pope

Initially, they all paid GM/Delphi to use it but I am not sure now that a Chinese company owns the technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagneRide

Alan Smithee

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A/S

A Touring is not a GT3.

All GT3s (factory race cars and street cars) have wings, since 1998.

Porsche didn't place a GT4 badge on the Spyder, it is called a Boxster Spyder, not a Boxster GT4 Spyder, and they share engine and transmission.

A 911 R is a 911 R, not a GT3 R.
The 911 Turbo S has a GT2RS engine inside, Porsche doesn't call it the GT2 RS Touring.

Take a Cabriolet, put a GT3 engine inside, it doesn't become a GT3 Cabriolet, it's called a Speedster, no GT3 reference because is wing-less.


The GT3 name comes the FIA-GT3 regulations, everything racing there has wings.

A Touring is not a GT3.