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Old 04-08-2019, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
Having driven behind one on Highway 1 the other day, I don't think even the casual observer will think it's a standard Carrera. It's so wide and low and mean looking, it looks special even to the untrained eye. The Touring is simply a GT3 for people who don't want to drive around with a big wing on the back all the time. Nothing more, nothing less. Porsche should have just made a wing delete option rather than a 'touring' package.


^^^^ yep. I won't be going over 150 mph so the loss of down force for me is not as noticeable. As far as "touring" goes - its great on drives. Mine is being shipped to Portland in early July. My wife and will tour the pacific northwest for a couple weeks in it with no more than a couple hours per day of driving planned. We will leave it in Seattle and have it shipped back to Texas. I'm sure I will love it and won't wish for something different.
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Old 04-08-2019, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
Having driven behind one on Highway 1 the other day, I don't think even the casual observer will think it's a standard Carrera. It's so wide and low and mean looking, it looks special even to the untrained eye. The Touring is simply a GT3 for people who don't want to drive around with a big wing on the back all the time. Nothing more, nothing less. Porsche should have just made a wing delete option rather than a 'touring' package.
+1

Similar to "Model Designation Delete", they should have added "Wing Delete"

But then they added a tiny badge in back that says "Touring". They should have just left that off and everyone would be happy.
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Old 04-08-2019, 01:36 PM
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To the non "enthusiast", the GT3T is a 911. A GT3 is a “supercar”...

I prefer to the attention the former attracts. The less people that ask me how much it costs, how fast it is, top speed, etc - the better. I want the satisfaction of driving it. No desire for the attention.

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Old 04-08-2019, 01:39 PM
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Yes the R is set up significantly softer, and is way more comfortable for daily anything. Actual suspension stiffness doesn't feel much of any different than a porsche with Spasm...and has alllll that feedback
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Old 04-08-2019, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GT3 View Post
Right. I donít think the GT3 Touring is a Touring in the traditional sense. It has stiff, firm, and tight suspension, more track focused than street, but I love that about it. For those that have been driving GT3s since at least the 997 days, the 991.2 suspension is overall better and more comfortable than ever before. Yet, nothing like an actual Touring car (BMW, MB, AM, etc). GT3, wing or not, I prefer the suspension the way it is, and Iím glad Porsche made it this way. If they had made it with a softer, more lose, and comfortable suspension to appeal to general public, Iíd felt they sold their soul for money. Whatever Porsche does to allow the car to perform better (numbers rather than comfort), Iím 100% okay with.
I concur. The GT3 would not be the same car with a softer suspension setup, though I have not driven an R yet. That said, my previous 981 Spyder was the best street car I've ever owned in terms of suspension balance.
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Old 04-08-2019, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CAlexio View Post
Porsche needs to get with the times and use magnetorheologic suspension like Cadillac and Ferrari and a few others now. The old school Valved suspension tuning that Porsche uses really makes a minuscule and insignificant difference between regular and sport mods... In comparison to Ferrari for example, where "bumpy road" setting allows for a truly comfortable ride, and then regular mode is completely at home on the track. Porsche needs to up its game in suspension management.. of course I'm not expecting mclaren sports series level of refinement, but if even Cadillac can afford to put these awesome dampers in their cars...
This. Having a 2019 Touring as well as cars with electro-magnetic suspension, this will be the next "watershed" moment for Porsche.
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NelsonF View Post
I concur. The GT3 would not be the same car with a softer suspension setup, though I have not driven an R yet. That said, my previous 981 Spyder was the best street car I've ever owned in terms of suspension balance.
That might be my problem: using the 981 Spyder as my new yardstick for a modern porsche street toy. Man, it was incredible street toy package, and thatís even before considering the price tag. Admittedly, it was missing the drama of the 1.2 4.0.

Originally Posted by sechsgang View Post
Yes the R is set up significantly softer, and is way more comfortable for daily anything. Actual suspension stiffness doesn't feel much of any different than a porsche with Spasm...and has alllll that feedback
I need to try an R.

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^^^^ yep. I won't be going over 150 mph so the loss of down force for me is not as noticeable. As far as "touring" goes - its great on drives. Mine is being shipped to Portland in early July. My wife and will tour the pacific northwest for a couple weeks in it with no more than a couple hours per day of driving planned. We will leave it in Seattle and have it shipped back to Texas. I'm sure I will love it and won't wish for something different.
Yeah, w/or w/out wing, most of us are fine because Iím rarely even hitting 150 on track . I got the wing in UK because I can get it w/clubsport package. If the roads are good quality, the 1.2-3 is amazing on street; I like it A LOT. If the pavement gets mediocre-to-rough, I am reminded that Iím in a track car (w/or w/out wing); sofas might help that some. And, again, the spyder would tell you that the pavement is rough, but float over it. I hope the upcoming 718 version doesnít go full gt4 suspension settings. Because while I liked the gt4 on track, it didnít do that much for me on the street, whereas the spyder was one of best cars on street Iíve ever owned.
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:24 PM
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Feel like half this board should just buy a 991.1 GTS. NA, manual, softer than GT cars, more focused than a base, back seats, no wing. You lose 70HP and save half your money. Haven't driven an R, sure its great. Sounds to me like a really cool GTS vs. the ultimate GT department car.

GT cars have wings, stiff suspensions, road noise, no back seats, pro-grade engines and limited gadgetry. Thats the whole point.
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:32 PM
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Good marketing once again realizing demand for a 'R" type car........not really a touring in the true sense..........T/TT/TTS are all much better for that purpose........
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:42 PM
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If I was the Porsche product guy, would have gone with following nomenclature -

GT3 and GT3 RS for winged, PDK cars (optional manual)
Carrera R and Carrera RS for wingless, manual (optional PDK).
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:46 PM
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For me Porsche nailed the perfect balance between race car and street car. Comfortable enough for road trips but still feels like a track ready car. I am amazed by what they have accomplished with the suspension! Perfection IMO. I don't want the attention, so the same car with no wing is exactly what I want. Looking at how few are for sale, seems like I am not alone.
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:54 PM
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I love my Touring. Wouldnít change a thing, except I think it should have come standard with MPS4s instead of Cup 2s. Couldnít care less if itís a separate model or just an option package. Itís a keeper for me. Understated appearance, but pure GT3 through and through. Way harder edged than my C4GTS in every respect.
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:54 PM
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Could care less what it is called or what detractors may think of it. This modern GT car as it is, wingless, checks all the boxes for me.

I'd otherwise still be stuck in a 991.2 TTS and not completely satisfied with it's offering.

Thank you Porsche!!

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Old 04-08-2019, 02:58 PM
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No, it's a GT3 with an option package.
Like a GT3 with full bucket seats. Or a GT3 with Bose sound. Suspension is the same, not exactly set up for 'touring'.
Still a GT3, even if a eunuch.
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr.Bill View Post
Still a GT3, even if a eunuch.
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