06C2s

As I stated earlier, people will vote to repeal it because of the talking points. “It will raise more $ for our schools, police” etc etc and the sheep will vote for it because they rent and figure it doesn’t effect them. They will be too dumb to look down the road and see there rents rising even more than they do now.

StanfordCardGT3

Doubtful - there will be hardcore lobbying to twist the narrative. See the last housing proposition (proposition 10) that was shut down for more rent control.

Alan Smithee

Over half of Californians are homeowners. Figure a large percentage are aspiring homeowners. Another chunk are smart enough to know that, as renters, they will feel some pain if Prop 13 is repealed for residential properties.

There is no way an initiative will leave middle-class retirees that bought back in the day with a +$20k annual bill, or it will never pass.

Then consider that, if repealed, there will be a reduction of home values that actually reduces tax revenue on properties bought in the last ~5 years, while putting owners upside-down on their loans (anybody remember what happened in 2007?), and it's a lose-lose for everybody.

I just don't see it happening.

A split-roll initiative for commercial properties is a different story, as is repeal of Props 58 and 193, which allow younger family members to assume parents and grandparents tax base on inherited properties.

Yc911Kid

^This.

They are still assessing my 4yr old S3 ~90% of MSRP. I can live with the 1% transit tax , but at least tax it right for god sake

jp884

Completely agree, Seattle is ridiculous by pricing our registration fees at MSRP for 10 or so years? Would love to sell any my cars for MSRP a few years down the road. The city of mindless intellectuals

zmangt3

https://www.sfgate.com/expensive-san...t-13614119.php

robmypro

A very detailed study disagrees with you, Alan.

Support for Prop 13’s method of assessing residential property values is considerably more divided by age, race, and social class than views on commercial reform. Respondents who were age 18-39, Latinos, Blacks, lower income, born outside the U.S., or who have less formal education were most opposed to the current methods of assessment. The strength of opposition is particularly striking among younger and Latino voters. Seventy-one percent of Latinos and 62% of younger voters opposed Prop 13 protections for homeowners. This may be because they are not benefitting from the homeowner protections (the value of their homes may not be increasing as rapidly as in high income neighborhoods), or they may be paying or expecting to pay higher taxes as recent or future purchasers of a home. Respondents who were age 30-39 (n=80), the prime first-home buying age, were by far the most opposed to the current rules for assessing homes, with 79% disapproving and only 16% approving.

http://www.csueastbay.edu/sss/files/...roposition.pdf

RDCR

Following this thread is just f***ing depressing when I read stuff like this. No wealth / assets are safe in this state anymore.

goin2drt

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MayorAdamWest

this whole thread makes me sad. I’m sorry that you feel so slighted by the home state of many people here that you feel the need to resort to Trump-style low brow insults. It makes me not want to come here. This thread started as a simple discussion around registration costs and has turned into republicans against California. I hope the moderators delete this thread as it’s clearly against the rules and spirit of the forum.

robmypro

That was the conclusion we came to 10 years ago. Figured we might as well beat the stampede to the exits. I do feel bad looking back on the California i first met in 1980. As close to paradise as i think you can get. But it was partly my fault. I didn’t recognize what was happening until it was far too late, and i mostly voted against my own self-interest over 30 years.

But yeah, it is depressing.

06C2s

Wow so nice of you to automatically throw all people who disagree with you and Or the direction our state is going in into the Republican Party and that of Trump supporters! Assumption with no proof is a horrible thing, it’s called opinions and like it or not this is the United States and we are ALLOWED to have and discuss them. Oh and FYI I didn’t vote for him but do agree with some of his ideas, just like I agree with some ideas from the democrat party.

robmypro

Sorry you feel that way. I do agree that this discussion should not include personal attacks or slams against anyone here from California. That isn’t right. But so far, with a few exceptions, this has been a pretty informative discussion among adults. And honestly, the guys living near the coast, watching those glorious sunsets and half naked beauties stroll by could care less what anyone thinks. California is paradise to them and it is hard in many ways to blame them!

And just for the record i didn’t vote for Trump.

CardiffDweller

I'll try and bring things back to the main topic. I am now a Nevada resident (still spending time in CA because of family and other interests). I own a 958 Cayenne twin turbo registered in Washoe County NV (original MSRP of about $127k, registration fee of about $850 a year now for a 2012 car). I was looking at used 991.1 GT3's before deciding the finger follower problem was a bit much even with a 10 year warranty. I ended up with a GT4 only to realize that there were a few issues there too. But I looked into the cost of registering a GT3. I used the registration fee estimator on the Nevada DMV website and plugged in actual VINs of GT3's I was considering. Washoe County was about $1200 a year for a 2015 GT3. Clark County was about $1500.

There is a potential offset to the registration costs. In Nevada, if you buy a used car from a non-dealer, private party, you avoid any sales tax. I was considering doing that with a good PPI, and I think it's not a bad strategy to avoid $10k in sales tax on a used GT3. That savings ameliorates the higher registration costs for a few years.

As to the rest of your post, I consider myself fiscally conservative (teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime) and socially tolerant. I do not identify as Republican as I've long since realized the party no longer (or never) lived up to my values, ideals, or expectations. The world is shades of gray, and not as simple as the old two party dynamic of our younger years.

goin2drt

I will delete it for you. I know the truth hurts and while I added some sarcastic naming of my old state many get offended easily.

Amen and TOTALLY agree.