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You seriously think the motor is going to "grenade" all of a sudden after 10 years or 120K miles? I'm not going to lose any sleep between now and 2025 and I doubt I'll worry about it then with the tracking / driving I plan to do. The "Jesus" motor, as you call it, is in the 2015 .1 with 107K miles that Monterey Porsche recently sold.
Yeah, I do. Because the vast majority of GT3's will be low mileage garage queens when they drop out of warranty. The failure is a wear/progressive type failure. It's not a sudden catastrophic failure. Was the 2015 an original motor? Even so, I would take the vastly superior solid lifter valve-train over the stressed to within an inch of its life hydraulic valve-train. Also, the 3.8 is a bit gutless under 6k RPM. The 4.0 has superior mid-range and overall power.
There is an unprecedented GT3 glut. Soon to be exacerbated by the release of the 992 GT3 which will produced in much higher volumes.
Yup, if everyone thinks they built a lot of 991.2GT3s wait until we find out the number of 992.1 GT3s they produce. I sure wouldn't want to be a flipper/speculator.
OH, Goody, another value thread..... the haters gonna hate (thinking most haters don't own anything in the same zip code in regards to performance or provenance ...."try-hards" talking sh-t), the 3.2 Turbo was the original "grenade" and now look at it...it's a darling....sheesh, find another forum.
Who starts these threads???? Owners worrying about their value? Not likely. More likely, it's folks hoping the sky falls so they can get in the game. There is truth to "If you have to ask, then...." If you're already in the game and you spend your time following the market and fretting over losing money, then I feel sorry for you in that you aren't enjoying the ownership experience.
Ownership Experience = Drive the sh-t out of it.
Yeah, I do. Because the vast majority of GT3's will be low mileage garage queens when they drop out of warranty. The failure is a wear/progressive type failure. It's not a sudden catastrophic failure. Was the 2015 an original motor? Even so, I would take the vastly superior solid lifter valve-train over the stressed to within an inch of its life hydraulic valve-train. Also, the 3.8 is a bit gutless under 6k RPM. The 4.0 has superior mid-range and overall power.
I mean my .2 engine blew up at 500 miles.... either way you look at it, those of us who paid over sticker vs people who didn’t, the values will sink which is normal. I was just shocked to see how fast it happened, seems like the bat auction kick started a fast decline in values with dozens of .2 gt cars selling msrp or under. I’m contemplating a second because of the price. The .1 is a great deal for under 100 or at 100 (which recently seems to be the rate), drive it track it and sell it with 60k miles on it in 5 years before the warranty is up! Even if you Only can get 70k in 5 years you got a great car for 5 years with minimal depreciation with plenty of use.
We shall see. Not paying an extra $40-50k for nearly the same car in a .2 is a gamble I didn't mind taking. But to each his own I suppose.
If you don't think a finger follower fix will be in place come 2024 then I don't know what to tell you. Hell, Dundon was well on their way to having a fix finished prior to the warranty announcement. There will certainly be a market to pull it off the shelf. Couple that with a changing landscape of turbo/hybrid cars come 2025, there's always going to be a place for high revving NA p-cars.
I agree with this. But, as the 991.1 nears (in 2-3 yrs) the ten yr mark, the market will price in the uncertainty associated with the top end issue. How much will be interesting to watch.
You said the motors would "grenade" earlier and now you're saying "It's not a sudden catastrophic failure"
I guess you have a different definition of grenade then I do!
Look at it this way: the motor blows in 9 years or 110,000 miles, and the buyer at 10 years gets a new motor with a new 120k/10-year warranty. Not a bad deal!
Seriously: people are speculating how much value a car will have 5 to 7 years from now based on a motor with that kind of bulletproof warranty?
I mean my .2 engine blew up at 500 miles.... either way you look at it, those of us who paid over sticker vs people who didn’t, the values will sink which is normal. I was just shocked to see how fast it happened, seems like the bat auction kick started a fast decline in values with dozens of .2 gt cars selling msrp or under. I’m contemplating a second because of the price. The .1 is a great deal for under 100 or at 100 (which recently seems to be the rate), drive it track it and sell it with 60k miles on it in 5 years before the warranty is up! Even if you Only can get 70k in 5 years you got a great car for 5 years with minimal depreciation with plenty of use.
where are you finding a bunch (or any) GT3 991 models at $100k? There was the one last fall with 50,000 miles, and it sold in a couple of days. Do tell, as I would love to grab one.
where are you finding a bunch (or any) GT3 991 models at $100k? There was the one last fall with 50,000 miles, and it sold in a couple of days. Do tell, as I would love to grab one.
a great deal under 100, there have been a few. Few!.. at 100-110 there are some for sale right now, I’m sure the 5 on cargurus for 114k that have been on the dealers lot for 180 days will take 105 before they keep paying interest on there floor plan... There are not 100 cars for 100 grand but with recent sales of these cars searching daily and having the cash you will see 1 a week go for 100.. but you better be ready to fly with funds.
I agree with this. But, as the 991.1 nears (in 2-3 yrs) the ten yr mark, the market will price in the uncertainty associated with the top end issue. How much will be interesting to watch.
Here’s the bet I’m willing to make (and made it)
I picked up a 15 for $121k ($152k MSRP). When searching for decently spec’d 991.2’s, it was more in the low 170-175 range. Yes, I know some strippers went lower.
For the sake of argument, let’s say there’s a realistic $45-50k gap between .1’s and .2’s currently.
All these cars will fall, but in terms of absolute dollars, the .2 has much more runway to fall before all generations hit their respective resistance points.
In 15 years will a winged PDK .2 be worth more? Yeah of course, but $45-50k more? Not a chance. That’s the bet I made when I made the decision to buy the POS .1 grenade mobile or whatever bitter ADM-paying souls claim it to be.
Plus, there will be a fix for this engine. This is all moot.
You said the motors would "grenade" earlier and now you're saying "It's not a sudden catastrophic failure"
I guess you have a different definition of grenade then I do!
One car, that's a great sample size. Solid statistical math there... It ultimately "grenades", same definition as you. I don't know why people get their panties in a wad when other people have opinions. This is a "forum" after all. All I'm saying is 991.2's will hold their value much better over time vs. 991.1 due to the inferior motor in the .1
You seriously think the motor is going to "grenade" all of a sudden after 10 years or 120K miles? I'm not going to lose any sleep between now and 2025 and I doubt I'll worry about it then with the tracking / driving I plan to do. The "Jesus" motor, as you call it, is in the 2015 .1 with 107K miles that Monterey Porsche recently sold.
What do you consider the "Jesus" motor actually to be?
Zero. And your point is what? That one 991.1 GT3 didn't have a motor break? How many 991.1's HAVE had motors replaced? I'll wait...
Based on your reasoning....
Originally Posted by Airbag997
The failure is a wear/progressive type failure.
So this is a problem that exists with all cars and is unavoidable with use as they will all “grenade” some day. So with that being said, after a 100k that must be at least 8-10 non-Jesus engines.
I’m pretty sure mine just exploded in the garage. Brb.
03-20-2019, 07:03 PM
