unotaz bro. u
missed it!!!

wing vs touring
major difference

take ur boy to soccer game.
I drop him off
park wing properly
set up cheese plate left side of wing
set up lap top right side of wing
we poor folks need to work while kids play ball.

I can’t do that on my touring so I had to sell it

unotaz - thanks for the review

GT3 - pls do explain what you see are the differences (beyond the wing) between the winged and non winged versions ox the GT3.

In several posts 2 or more 911R owners state it has less insulation ( one of the things it supposedly makes it feel special). In other threads, wing and Touring owners state the Touring feels louder than the wing version (perhaps it has the same insulation but the different intake make it louder). I was pointing out that people claim the Touring is louder inside than the wing, and that if you owned and compared a Touring vs the 911R, you would have been able to see whether that’s valid or not. But since you had the wing, you could not make the comparison. Anyways, I’ve never said the Touring is different than the wing on any post in the past (other than the intake box).

My point in this thread is not whether the Touring is a better car than the 911R. I’ve always thought the 911R is an awesome car. Some of you were fortunate enough to get a 911R at msrp. That’s great. But it’s a car that perhaps shares 95% of the components with the Touring. Sure, different suspension tuning (subjective which is best depending on driving style and application), SMFW vs DMFW (I prefer the SMFW in the R, but that can also be subjective to some), engine differences that allow 9k rpm and better power delivery vs 8.8k rpm in the 911R (No debate, most prefer the .2 Touring engine). Both have unique characteristics, but in my opinion, not significant enough to claim one is better than the other, nor for a 911R owner to say the differences are significant enough that the 911R is better than a Touring, specially under current market pricing difference (about $100k). Mooty sort of got it in post #67.

I love the 2011 4.0 RS. Amazing car, specially at msrp. Congrats to those that got it back then. Is it worth the extra msrp vs msrp difference between the 2011 3.8 RS? You bet. Is it worth $200k over the 2011 3.8 RS at today’s prices, not in my opinion. Perhaps that’s the main difference from those that got the R or 4.0 RS at msrp don’t see. If I got either at msrp, I wouldn’t sell them either and would probably have more miles on them than most people. But I also wouldn’t pretend they’re the best thing since sliced bread. They’re just fun cars. I drive them too much to care about numbered plaques, miles, or future depreciation. But I’m also not willing to pay $100k to $200k extra for something very similar.

Different air intake box, just like the 911R. (Search around in other threads). Perhaps it changes the acoustics and is the reason some people that have both the wing and Touring claim the Touring is louder inside (stock vs stock exhaust). I’m curious to know whether since it’s the same intake box as the R, it’s the reason they sounded similar inside to me as far a noise transfer goes (Not regarding volume, since mine has long tube headers and felt louder inside). I do not know, but I feel there’s very little insulation in the Touring (I would not want it louder). Already have to raise my voice to have a conversation during intermediate+ acceleration, and phone conversations through the CarPlay are damn near impossible (Have to have all the windows up, not accelerate hard, and lean in for people to hear me. I don’t use anymore). I also hear every damn pebble and engine noise like unotaz claims in the first post.

Great comparison. Thank you for writting.

I have to make sure I don't drive an R if offered. It comes down to "reference based on experience".
my gt3 manual is the best car I have ever driven.
The best manual transmission I have ever shifted. Best sportscar I have ever owned. I am glad I have not driven an R.