Owner's Review: 911R vs. 991.2 GT3 (Manual)
05-14-2019, 05:19 PM
#166
But it's less involving on the road. Maybe I could come up with a better label than track proficiency...
05-14-2019, 05:50 PM
#167
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missing the touring engine paying 100k to get a lighter flywheel with some R decals
Only a mad would sell the Touring to buy an R , with a modified exhaust the Touring is a unbeatable 9k rpm beast , i can mod my suspension as i like and i give a s**t to single mass flywheel
Only a mad would sell the Touring to buy an R , with a modified exhaust the Touring is a unbeatable 9k rpm beast , i can mod my suspension as i like and i give a s**t to single mass flywheel
05-14-2019, 06:41 PM
#168
Same, my GT3 Touring has a Antigravity lithium battery -35 lbs and valved side deletes minus -35 lbs ... the majority of the 43 kgs difference in weight is the R base spec no PCM or Air Con ... door pulls, carbon and glass are a big lunch and a couple beers ... Touring is sharper and better pull thru the rpm range ... if less is more for you ... buy retro 911 or a Singer ... the GT3 Touring is the pinnacle of a manual 911 evolution to date ... everything else is personal taste “Andy”
05-14-2019, 07:07 PM
#169
the touring is a great car and i can see why some like it.. but its a tween'er. late decision by PAG to satisfy unhappy customers and stop the R flippers they took off the wing, added some interior bits asked marketing to link it to some history and did not take the time to set up for the road including gluing a gurney flap on because they didn't adjust the front lip many spent crazy amounts of CXX to make it look like an R. But is not an R. you can debate endlessly about specific specs and stats but the real answer comes from driving it and in terms of overall driving experience- for me the R delivers a fantastic driving experience. How much that is worth is a very personal decision somewhat informed by whether you can pay the price of entry and still drive it regularly without regard for future value...that's what my portfolio is for
i didn't like the flipper mania, i am not a collector but have no issues with those that do there are a few on here driving their R because of the experience and the same goes for many Touring owners doing the same. not sure why the judgement on the former. in terms of GOAT, overtime the market will decide....near term its a personal decision. there are many posts on RL about the touring just not working for some, with some preferring the Spyder or other options. there are also a few who keep touring but express dissatisfaction with actually touring. lastly some had R and touring and decided to sell touring keep R you can disagree but that does not discount the decisions by others
992 GT will come and there will likely be a better Touring....the R is unlikely to ever be universally loved....but it does seem to be the inspiration and comp to those than want that experience. i personally would enjoy owning either but you only get one ticket to ride in life so make the most the experience
i didn't like the flipper mania, i am not a collector but have no issues with those that do there are a few on here driving their R because of the experience and the same goes for many Touring owners doing the same. not sure why the judgement on the former. in terms of GOAT, overtime the market will decide....near term its a personal decision. there are many posts on RL about the touring just not working for some, with some preferring the Spyder or other options. there are also a few who keep touring but express dissatisfaction with actually touring. lastly some had R and touring and decided to sell touring keep R you can disagree but that does not discount the decisions by others
992 GT will come and there will likely be a better Touring....the R is unlikely to ever be universally loved....but it does seem to be the inspiration and comp to those than want that experience. i personally would enjoy owning either but you only get one ticket to ride in life so make the most the experience
05-14-2019, 07:14 PM
#170
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05-14-2019, 07:27 PM
#171
Hah. Somewhat. You can always disagree with the market. But long term the initial buyer’s bias fades, technology of current cars improves while older cars get judged not by specs but by driving experience and judgement becomes less impacted by some of the debates we discuss here.
But hey hey I spin LPs and have tube amps
Bu
But hey hey I spin LPs and have tube amps
Bu
05-14-2019, 07:39 PM
#172
If neither car was limited and both depreciated the same, would you pay 40k more for one or the other? I sure as hell wouldn't. It would boil down to the feel of a SMFW or a better engine for most. Everyone wants to justify exclusivity and minute differences in feel. Take away value, exclusivity and rareness, no one will care.
05-14-2019, 07:41 PM
#173
Sure because R values had gone way down by the time the GT3 Touring arrived and it's easier to sell the Touring at a premium that it is to take a bath selling the R.
05-14-2019, 07:48 PM
#174
like I said Kudos to the Touring that someone felt so threatened they had to create this thread .... to say it takes ownership and weeks of driving to appreciate the differences ... yet then claims the R is far superior by a wide margin is laughable
Last edited by Brian Himmelman; 05-18-2019 at 07:53 PM.
05-14-2019, 07:48 PM
#175
Pretty sure both purchased at msrp and also pretty sure he was not optimizing for profit. But I do get that value is a big concern for many here
05-14-2019, 07:55 PM
#177
I was just stating they drive differently. With one suited for the road and the other a little more Frankenstein. Not interested in debating what if scenarios although that is what some do here. They are different. Pick the one you like and don’t worry so much about it.
05-14-2019, 07:58 PM
#178
the touring is a great car and i can see why some like it.. but its a tween'er. late decision by PAG to satisfy unhappy customers and stop the R flippers they took off the wing, added some interior bits asked marketing to link it to some history and did not take the time to set up for the road including gluing a gurney flap on because they didn't adjust the front lip many spent crazy amounts of CXX to make it look like an R. But is not an R. you can debate endlessly about specific specs and stats but the real answer comes from driving it and in terms of overall driving experience- for me the R delivers a fantastic driving experience. How much that is worth is a very personal decision somewhat informed by whether you can pay the price of entry and still drive it regularly without regard for future value...that's what my portfolio is for
i didn't like the flipper mania, i am not a collector but have no issues with those that do there are a few on here driving their R because of the experience and the same goes for many Touring owners doing the same. not sure why the judgement on the former. in terms of GOAT, overtime the market will decide....near term its a personal decision. there are many posts on RL about the touring just not working for some, with some preferring the Spyder or other options. there are also a few who keep touring but express dissatisfaction with actually touring. lastly some had R and touring and decided to sell touring keep R you can disagree but that does not discount the decisions by others
992 GT will come and there will likely be a better Touring....the R is unlikely to ever be universally loved....but it does seem to be the inspiration and comp to those than want that experience. i personally would enjoy owning either but you only get one ticket to ride in life so make the most the experience
i didn't like the flipper mania, i am not a collector but have no issues with those that do there are a few on here driving their R because of the experience and the same goes for many Touring owners doing the same. not sure why the judgement on the former. in terms of GOAT, overtime the market will decide....near term its a personal decision. there are many posts on RL about the touring just not working for some, with some preferring the Spyder or other options. there are also a few who keep touring but express dissatisfaction with actually touring. lastly some had R and touring and decided to sell touring keep R you can disagree but that does not discount the decisions by others
992 GT will come and there will likely be a better Touring....the R is unlikely to ever be universally loved....but it does seem to be the inspiration and comp to those than want that experience. i personally would enjoy owning either but you only get one ticket to ride in life so make the most the experience
Live once ... get the Touring ... R has some nice gimmicks but for a real hard core drivers experience there is nothing like the 991.2 GT3 Touring road or track
05-14-2019, 08:02 PM
#179
05-14-2019, 08:03 PM
#180