18-way seats terrible for resale in GT3RS?
02-23-2019, 04:11 AM
#32
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02-23-2019, 09:25 AM
#34
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The real question ought to be why we can’t convince Porsche to allow us to spec a new car with two sets of seats. I tried. Swapping them in and out is trivial and I have done the research regarding the wiring harnesses and module coding, so I believe I know what can and cannot be done, and how easily. As near as I can determine, this is simply a matter of wanting to preserve the astounding retail price of purchasing the second set of seats after build through the dealer network. Other manufacturers will sell two sets of seats at build time, and they will sell them at build time cost. Porsche is being perverse on this point so far as I can tell. It would obviously obviate the resale issue for those who have two sets, if that matters.
Dont most guys just trade in as opposed to sell? Don’t 18 ways result in a lower sale price new since dealers know buckets are more desirable and thus don’t most pay less for 18 way cars at time of new purchase on cars in stock and spec’d. If so you pay less going in and get less going out.
If you are the one specing 18 ways on a GT then my suspicion is even though you you pay the same on later trade dealer will tell you they can’t give you as much because 18 ways becyi bet their perception is that GT cars with 18 ways are less popular and thus will sit longer.
I have non buckets in my Spyder and love them. What a pleasure to just to slide in and not have to do the bucket maneuver to get in and out.
Last edited by Waxer; 02-23-2019 at 09:42 AM.
02-23-2019, 09:36 AM
#35
Its totally up to your body, not your opinion on looks or value. if you cant deal with buckets, you cant deal with buckets. If you are too wide for 18 ways, you will hate them, if you are too tall or like more recline, you will want adjustable seats. I cannot understand why anyone would care. Anyone buying 160k cars can afford a track seat if needed. Or can afford to drop 10k in price if you really need to sell it. Just go find cars that have them and drive them. There are enough folks here who have both and can help you "take a drive" or find the dealers who have used cars and go for a drive. I bought 18 ways, could not stand the buckets for long drives. I like to take 2 days runs in the mountains and want to be comfortable. I went and found a used RS with buckets, and drove it. It took 10 min to decide. I do not regret it, but have friends that do every time we go for a drive.
02-23-2019, 10:42 AM
#37
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Im looking at the available 991.2 GT3RS builds and I’m seeing quite a few available without sport buckets. Some dealers are saying they are surprised to hear me say they are a must have for most owners.
They respond perplexed at my statement...
Are they spec’ing these cars for Cars and Coffee only lol?
They respond perplexed at my statement...
Are they spec’ing these cars for Cars and Coffee only lol?
I agree with most everything that other posters have said but let me offer this. Generally speaking, yes, most often they are a must have on an RS so your perceptions are correct. If a dealer has a car with sofas of course they are going to respond perplexed in an effort to sell the car. I have had 3 Porsche's all with LWBs. A 2011 Boxster Spyder, a 2015 GT3 and now a 2018 GT2RS. I love the seats but on long drives they would not be my first choice. Over the years I have attended many HPDEs so my needs may be slightly skewed, hence the preference for the LWBs. If you do end up with LWBs definitely get the leather side bolster covers from Edgar Saadi.
02-23-2019, 11:03 AM
#38
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If GT people were less concerned about form over function on their street driven GT cars, they's have no trouble embracing comfort over some silly perception that ordering LWB will turn them into hardcore boy-racers (in their mind only!! 
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02-27-2019, 06:02 PM
#39
Are you sure this is the only point PAG is being perverse on when it come to money generation? Lol.
Dont most guys just trade in as opposed to sell? Don’t 18 ways result in a lower sale price new since dealers know buckets are more desirable and thus don’t most pay less for 18 way cars at time of new purchase on cars in stock and spec’d. If so you pay less going in and get less going out.
If you are the one specing 18 ways on a GT then my suspicion is even though you you pay the same on later trade dealer will tell you they can’t give you as much because 18 ways becyi bet their perception is that GT cars with 18 ways are less popular and thus will sit longer.
I have non buckets in my Spyder and love them. What a pleasure to just to slide in and not have to do the bucket maneuver to get in and out.
I’ve decided for the moment to keep both cars, so no trade. This may prove a decision of incredible stupidity or one of great joy. Or both. My 15 GT3 has 4-ways. My 19 3RS I specced with LWBs. My surgically altered back would really like 18-ways. My increasing track time showed me that I need harnesses, hence the LWBs for the new car; we never found aftermarket buckets we liked as much as the factory ones. Functionally, it looks as if I will have a 15 GT3 to treat like a Touring, but without a manual box and with a bleedin’ great vision blocker behind the rear window; I completely appreciate / agree with your position regarding your Spyder. I have learned that Sparco back cushions, placed strategically, make the 4-ways surprisingly comfortable and allow long drives without pain or undue fatigue. I’m hoping the LWBs prove as amenable to some foamy customisation. I’ve not actually sat in the new car for more than a few minutes nor heard it running. It should return to me next month, a properly finished product...but stil with only one set of seats! I’ll learn more then.
Because we use and enjoy our cars, despite intense preventative maintenance, the trade-in / resale issue is always going to be mileage, not options.
02-27-2019, 06:21 PM
#40
Except for many the LWBs offer more comfort because they offer more support. I've had Porsches with 4 ways, 14 ways, 18 ways and LWBs, and, if I had to take a long trip in my Porsche, I would want LWBs all day and twice on Sunday. They are the only Porsche seats that don't fatigue my back and core. Second best were the 4 ways, but I could only do about 60 minutes in those with getting the ache going. I'll never buy a Porsche again without LWBs, but that's just me. Everyone has a different body and different perspective, but the idea that 18 ways are by definition more comfortable than LWBs is incorrect. And people with opinions about LWBs who've never actually spent any significant amount of time driving in them really don't know what they're talking about. You can't make an accurate assessment of these seats sitting in them for 5 minutes in a showroom. You have to drive them. I hated them when I sat in an RS for the first time. Then after driving them, I fell in love.
02-27-2019, 06:33 PM
#41
I drove 600 miles this past weekend in my touring with LWBs and didn't have any back issues or even a need to stop and get out to stretch. I drive 20 minutes to work in my Raptor and get all fidgety adjusting the seat because my back isn't a feeling it (I get this way in all normal seats typically). Had 18ways and never found a setting that didn't bug my back. Never had 4 ways, but for the right body type, LWBs can be very comfortable and supportive.
02-27-2019, 08:26 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by Waxer
dealer will tell you they can’t give you as much because 18 ways becyi bet their perception is that GT cars with 18 ways are less popular and thus will sit longer.
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02-28-2019, 09:26 AM
#45
Only negative in the new Sport Buckets is the fact you can't flip them forward for easier access to the back as I can with the buckets in my 987 Boxster Spyder. Other than that they are great and my wife likes the fact she can raise and or lower the seat