Real world differences between 3RS, 991.1 vs 991.2
02-21-2019, 04:23 PM
#31
02-21-2019, 05:40 PM
#32
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^^^^maybe better said, it's fun to experience all the different variants of a given gen, as a Porsche nut, to pick up on all the subtle nuanced differences. And, yes, I'd have a hard time restraining myself from picking up any upcoming gen GT refresh for that reason alone. I'd always wonder.
This, coming from a 997.1rs owner
This, coming from a 997.1rs owner
02-22-2019, 07:16 AM
#33
^^^^maybe better said, it's fun to experience all the different variants of a given gen, as a Porsche nut, to pick up on all the subtle nuanced differences. And, yes, I'd have a hard time restraining myself from picking up any upcoming gen GT refresh for that reason alone. I'd always wonder.
This, coming from a 997.1rs owner
This, coming from a 997.1rs owner
Yours is green, that trumps everything
02-22-2019, 10:23 AM
#36
you know, I go back and forth on this. Obviously I need to scratch that itch to row my own gears and the question is just which manual RS I scratch that itch with. Given I will always have the latest and greatest RS, I figured it makes sense to have the purest expression of the modern US RS, hence the 997.1. I call them my bookend cars. Ok gtg.
02-22-2019, 11:21 AM
#37
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.2 is a better car, no question. I tracked my .1 quite a lot and loved it, couldn't imagine how a car could get any better...as usual Porsche made a better car. I agree with points noted above. Engine has quite noticeably more low end torque, and with the re-mapped PDK its quite a difference. The front end grip also feels much better in .2. I agree with above that I prefer the steering feel of the .1. However, if price is a concern I have been telling all my friends to pick up a CPO .1 vs getting a .2 as the price difference is now quite substantial, and the on track benefit is not that great. However that being said, I am glad I have a .2 (its a better car, but at a cost!?)
02-22-2019, 12:50 PM
#38
you know, I go back and forth on this. Obviously I need to scratch that itch to row my own gears and the question is just which manual RS I scratch that itch with. Given I will always have the latest and greatest RS, I figured it makes sense to have the purest expression of the modern US RS, hence the 997.1. I call them my bookend cars. Ok gtg.
02-22-2019, 01:52 PM
#39
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Zero doubt 50% of my allure to the 3.6rs is that I think it's the best looking water pumping 911 ever made. It's not a bad drive either. But it's as much of a visual effect as the drive. I wish I could combine the drive of a 7-4.0 with looks of 3.6rs.
To contrast, 991rs (all of em) have very little appeal to me visually, but dang fun to feel like I'm a decent driver around a track (even though I'm not).
To contrast, 991rs (all of em) have very little appeal to me visually, but dang fun to feel like I'm a decent driver around a track (even though I'm not).
02-22-2019, 05:01 PM
#41
I think that the performance versus cost clearly favors the 991.1 GT3. If cost was no object I'd get a 3RS - because they look cooler. Since I apparently am cheaper than I am cool, I have the former.
02-22-2019, 11:33 PM
#42
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- .1 is loose, .2 understeers (mine has the rear bar full stiff, front bar full soft) but from 65-70mph turns and up it transitions to oversteer.
- .1 is a better street car, .2 is a better track car. .2 is 220% stiffer in the front and 33% stiffer in the rear on the springs, so it will pass all the road imperfections with strength. .2 is too stiff on the road.
- .1 has better steering, .2 is over assisted.
- .2 makes better noises because it goes to 9,000rpm, .1 goes to 8800rpm in 1st gear then 8500rpm on all the other gears.
- .1 PDK is laggy on partial throttle, .2 PDK is sharp and even quicker.
- There are more than 20Hp difference between .1 and .2, my VBox data shows it, it is at least 35hp more powerful. For street use, it doesn't matter as you will reach the speed limit in 2nd gear in U.S. roads too quick in either car. My .2 beats my old .1 by 0.5 secs to 100mph (6.8 vs 7.3) and the .1 had Akrapovic headers, side delete mufflers, 19" wheels, less drag, and a lithium battery when it ran 7.3s
- Both cars cannot be used in Sport-suspension mode, they are over-damped, I have not been able to produce a better lap on the stiff setting anywhere.
- For street use, dump the MPSC2 and get MPS4S. For track use, dump the MPSC2 and get Cup2-R, TrofeoR, Hoosiers, slicks.
- .2 has a hi-res rear-view camera, I like this feature. All other improved hi-res PCM stuff in the .2 is useless (unless you're into ApplePlay and that tech stuff, then buy Tesla).
- I like the look of the .1 better, especially the wing. The .2 wing end plates are weird and I can't stop looking at how ugly they are.
- .2 has a new center muffler, it is a 991 part, my .1 had a 997 part# muffler, the .2 center muffler is heavier, maybe they did something to cure early cracking.
- .2 has a massive amount of brake cooling. The naca ducts on the hood cool down the front brakes while not adding drag like the .1, more naca ducts in the back to cool the transmission and axle joints (n/a in .1), and even more cooling ducts for rear brakes.
- .2 has a lot more downforce than the .1, 992# vs. 770# on .1 (a winged 600LT has 220 lbs of downforce at 155mph, and a Civic Type R just 66#, to put this difference in perspective).
- My opinion on the price difference, I would call anything at or under $40,000 between identical spec cars fair. You can't spec WP on .1 so that's extra. $100k price difference, no way, $75k no way, $50k (if WP) fine, $40k (non-WP) fine.
- .2 is a lot louder inside, they have thin carpets whereas all other GT3s have thick carpets, and the .2 Gorilla glass passes more exterior sounds too. I like this for track use, but not for the street. I drove my TTS more than my .1RS on the streets, but with the .2RS I'm driving the TTS even more on the streets.
- .2 has 16 different adjustable configurations for downforce front/rear, .1 only has 4, so you can fine tune the .2 for high speed turns and specific racetracks better.
- .2 ride a lot taller than .1, this helps on bumpy racetracks. On stock tires, my .1 had 25mm drop available in the front and got to 100mm from my chassis point measurement , the .2 can only lower 8mm and sits right now at 118-119mm (or 125-127mm on the stock -1.7 camber, or 133mm-135mm as delivered).
- The .1 front splitter is deeper and will scratch on the streets easier, .2 is hard to scratch.
- .1 FAL is slower than .2 FAL, the .2 FAL is lighter on the equipment too.
- .2 doors are lighter, so it is a nice feeling to open/close paperweight doors.
- On my .2 seats, lowered to the minimum, I can barely see outside at 5' 11", and the seats moved all the way back I can barely touch the pedals, it feels like it got more space compared to my .1.
- .2 makes a lot of pop sounds on gear changes and overrun (my TTS does them on overrun in Sport+), these sounds are not available in the .1.
- Every joint on the .2 suspension is solid aluminum or monoballs (except the inner joint for RWS), the .1 has rubber bushings everywhere, this will translate to better lap times and easier driving at the limits, but I have yet to reset a lap time at my local places.
- Except very bumpy racetracks (one of my favorites happen to be one of the worst in the World), the .2 would produce faster lap times on equal tires, there is a significant power, suspension and downforce difference.
They are both amazing, and better than most other street cars for track use.
- .1 is a better street car, .2 is a better track car. .2 is 220% stiffer in the front and 33% stiffer in the rear on the springs, so it will pass all the road imperfections with strength. .2 is too stiff on the road.
- .1 has better steering, .2 is over assisted.
- .2 makes better noises because it goes to 9,000rpm, .1 goes to 8800rpm in 1st gear then 8500rpm on all the other gears.
- .1 PDK is laggy on partial throttle, .2 PDK is sharp and even quicker.
- There are more than 20Hp difference between .1 and .2, my VBox data shows it, it is at least 35hp more powerful. For street use, it doesn't matter as you will reach the speed limit in 2nd gear in U.S. roads too quick in either car. My .2 beats my old .1 by 0.5 secs to 100mph (6.8 vs 7.3) and the .1 had Akrapovic headers, side delete mufflers, 19" wheels, less drag, and a lithium battery when it ran 7.3s
- Both cars cannot be used in Sport-suspension mode, they are over-damped, I have not been able to produce a better lap on the stiff setting anywhere.
- For street use, dump the MPSC2 and get MPS4S. For track use, dump the MPSC2 and get Cup2-R, TrofeoR, Hoosiers, slicks.
- .2 has a hi-res rear-view camera, I like this feature. All other improved hi-res PCM stuff in the .2 is useless (unless you're into ApplePlay and that tech stuff, then buy Tesla).
- I like the look of the .1 better, especially the wing. The .2 wing end plates are weird and I can't stop looking at how ugly they are.
- .2 has a new center muffler, it is a 991 part, my .1 had a 997 part# muffler, the .2 center muffler is heavier, maybe they did something to cure early cracking.
- .2 has a massive amount of brake cooling. The naca ducts on the hood cool down the front brakes while not adding drag like the .1, more naca ducts in the back to cool the transmission and axle joints (n/a in .1), and even more cooling ducts for rear brakes.
- .2 has a lot more downforce than the .1, 992# vs. 770# on .1 (a winged 600LT has 220 lbs of downforce at 155mph, and a Civic Type R just 66#, to put this difference in perspective).
- My opinion on the price difference, I would call anything at or under $40,000 between identical spec cars fair. You can't spec WP on .1 so that's extra. $100k price difference, no way, $75k no way, $50k (if WP) fine, $40k (non-WP) fine.
- .2 is a lot louder inside, they have thin carpets whereas all other GT3s have thick carpets, and the .2 Gorilla glass passes more exterior sounds too. I like this for track use, but not for the street. I drove my TTS more than my .1RS on the streets, but with the .2RS I'm driving the TTS even more on the streets.
- .2 has 16 different adjustable configurations for downforce front/rear, .1 only has 4, so you can fine tune the .2 for high speed turns and specific racetracks better.
- .2 ride a lot taller than .1, this helps on bumpy racetracks. On stock tires, my .1 had 25mm drop available in the front and got to 100mm from my chassis point measurement , the .2 can only lower 8mm and sits right now at 118-119mm (or 125-127mm on the stock -1.7 camber, or 133mm-135mm as delivered).
- The .1 front splitter is deeper and will scratch on the streets easier, .2 is hard to scratch.
- .1 FAL is slower than .2 FAL, the .2 FAL is lighter on the equipment too.
- .2 doors are lighter, so it is a nice feeling to open/close paperweight doors.
- On my .2 seats, lowered to the minimum, I can barely see outside at 5' 11", and the seats moved all the way back I can barely touch the pedals, it feels like it got more space compared to my .1.
- .2 makes a lot of pop sounds on gear changes and overrun (my TTS does them on overrun in Sport+), these sounds are not available in the .1.
- Every joint on the .2 suspension is solid aluminum or monoballs (except the inner joint for RWS), the .1 has rubber bushings everywhere, this will translate to better lap times and easier driving at the limits, but I have yet to reset a lap time at my local places.
- Except very bumpy racetracks (one of my favorites happen to be one of the worst in the World), the .2 would produce faster lap times on equal tires, there is a significant power, suspension and downforce difference.
They are both amazing, and better than most other street cars for track use.
02-23-2019, 02:21 AM
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The comparison is between 991.1 GT3RS and 991.2 GT3RS and real world observations from those of us who have owned both cars. There is another thread comparing GT3 to RS.
02-23-2019, 06:09 AM
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Zero doubt 50% of my allure to the 3.6rs is that I think it's the best looking water pumping 911 ever made. It's not a bad drive either. But it's as much of a visual effect as the drive. I wish I could combine the drive of a 7-4.0 with looks of 3.6rs.
To contrast, 991rs (all of em) have very little appeal to me visually, but dang fun to feel like I'm a decent driver around a track (even though I'm not).
To contrast, 991rs (all of em) have very little appeal to me visually, but dang fun to feel like I'm a decent driver around a track (even though I'm not).