richk

Driving GT cars is so much better than these pointless discussions of future values.

Just turned 28k miles in my 15 991TTS. It just keep getting better...

usctrojanGT3

+1 Drive the cars, don't let them sit and collect dust. If you don't drive them, sell them.

porscheflat6

I know of one for $30K over right now - it will move so PM if you are interested. A broker texted me Friday about it and glad to pass his info along.

BryanCO

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silvertige

This is a dealer purchase of a car... so maybe add 30-50k ask over that. That would be a 60-100k adm? Anyways, probably shouldn't have commented as I'm not a buyer, even at MSRP, lol.

Freddie Two Bs

That, I don't understand. Deep discount and a broker in the mix, who also wants to make money? How much is the actual seller gonna get, $15k? So you need a broker to sell a gt2rs at 15k over? Beats me.

yesyoucan

They are knowledgeable buyers. A set amount to pay each month in lease payments (Say $20K/month). Rotate in and out of cars.

Not drivers of cars (less then 1,000 miles before rotating into a different car, eat into equity (as long as they don't have to write a check when car is sold then they are fine).

When one also plays on the ferrari/lambo/mclaren side of things then they know all about losses. It doesn't bother people so much. Porsche side of things because of ADM; there is no such thing as buy one car to get another. People don't mind losing money on cars to set it up to get another. ADM on lambo/mclaren/ferrari side of things exist but it is just done in a different way.

Dr.Bill

Wait - did you just say knowledgeable buyer and lease in the same sentence?? LOL

JC Lacayo

yesyoucan

Yeap; I did. Leasing is very common by my parts (sales tax issue for cars that aren't going to be held onto for 5 years).

No sales tax credit on trade, dealers and many people not wanting to do the montana thing.

Easier to get cars when you do lease through dealer (they like the extra money they get... an ADM of sorts).

sampelligrino

I should have clarified that purportedly 2RS has moved at under 50k ADMs at least for a handful of people recently. That is quite a fall off from the "launch ADMs" of 100-150k under the guise of "limited production" and whatever other dealer BS they were trying to spew at the time trying to make a quick profit rather than foster a good business relationship

Can only speak to my experience but this rang true for me. I'm 99.99999% sure it's a function of me wanting an allocation of an out-going model that is due to be replaced/facelifted any minute now, but my limited experience with Ferrari so far has been head and shoulders above what I experienced with Porsche dealers almost across the board. Just hope/pray that it continues to be that way. Not aiming for any of the LE Ferraris anyway

yesyoucan

Seems like you are letting ego get in the way You're paying at least a $75K ADM on a new 488 without knowing it yet. Buying a brand new 488 at this stage won't get you much if any currency with Ferrari dealer for future purposes.

Just for me; $50K adm on a gt2rs is better then hidden 75K adm on a 488... If you tried to negotiate with a Ferrari dealer on a brand new 488 allocation then I'm pretty sure you'd never receive a call back.

I hope you are buying the 488 over a gt2rs for other reasons which I'm sure you are.

Waxer

They still have losses. Just not realized yet. Except unlike the stock market with some stock I see their losses growing on the 2RS.
ADMs normally don't increase with continued and increased production but hey, what do I know?

sampelligrino

lol that made me laugh

I could not give a **** about future purchases with Ferrari. I only care about the here and now for the most part as there is no guarantee I am breathing tomorrow. I spend my hard earned money on whatever catches my fancy and if I take a bath on it thankfully I'm in a position to afford to lose 75k overnight and not worry too much about it as much as I prefer not to do that. I would call myself quite the fool if I even expect to even break even on anything with 4 wheels, I expect a loss as my own financial advisors will tell me there are much better places to park money as we all know. I digress, but I look at it as I am spending at least 75k to get the first mid engine V8 turbo since the F40 with styling language/design that I absolutely adore and I am just as happy as a pig in ****, even as the 488 facelift is coming today or tomorrow or whenever

That being said, I do remember and make notes of my buying/purchasing experience and carry that with me as I shop around for other cars and perhaps other marques. But it is a fool's game to try and pursue a relationship with any dealership with your own hard earned money, even if I wanted to pursue LE models whether Porsche or Ferrari for financial gain, I know for a fact I will do better in real estate or the market and stress quite a bit less at a macro level