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Never seen anyone run the front cup lip on the regular bumper. Are there higher res pics of this? Curious to see what the sides look like up close since they're missing the vertical trim pieces that connect to the cup fender flares.
I'd be interested in this too. Would keeping the stock GT3 wing be ok if the Cup lip was added? On the surface adding more front downforce to a rear engined car seems like a good idea but I'd like to know more.
I'd be interested in this too. Would keeping the stock GT3 wing be ok if the Cup lip was added? On the surface adding more front downforce to a rear engined car seems like a good idea but I'd like to know more.
Adding more front downforce could be a good thing up to a point, but at really high speeds it could be a very bad idea without balancing with more rear downforce. Suppose you are at Nürburgring or some place with very high speed corners. More downforce would push the front tires further into the track (good) but it would tend to raise the rear of the car like a teeter-totter (bad). I wouldn't do one without the other...
Maybe using the high downforce setting on rear wing would be enough to offset the extra downforce on most tracks - would have to inquire of Manthey.
funny that MR do not mention the (cup) front splitter/lip in their MR product catalog; esp since even with the OEM wing, the manual states that on high df setting some additional understeer may be experienced?
Adding more front downforce could be a good thing up to a point, but at really high speeds it could be a very bad idea without balancing with more rear downforce. Suppose you are at Nürburgring or some place with very high speed corners. More downforce would push the front tires further into the track (good) but it would tend to raise the rear of the car like a teeter-totter (bad). I wouldn't do one without the other...
Maybe using the high downforce setting on rear wing would be enough to offset the extra downforce on most tracks - would have to inquire of Manthey.
It's all speculation to some degree, hence the request for more information. Does 311RS have specific (empirical?) data and feedback from MR that shows you can run the front Cup lip on its own with the OEM rear wing.
High speed corners? You mean like The Kink at Road America? Eh, it's only 105mph through there in my M3 on slicks without aero.
It's all speculation to some degree, hence the request for more information. Does 311RS have specific (empirical?) data and feedback from MR that shows you can run the front Cup lip on its own with the OEM rear wing.
High speed corners? You mean like The Kink at Road America? Eh, it's only 105mph through there in my M3 on slicks without aero.
worth noting that the manual warns about incremental understeer when the OEM wing is in high DF mode ... question is how much more DF does the Manthey Wing add over the OEM - clearly (Manthey) who know their stuff have installed the cup splitter to counter that, however they make no mention of it as part of their MR kit in their catalog???
Or the approach to Schwedenkreuz at the Nürburgring where speeds are nearly 160 mph. You want your rear end tied down there!
+1 Not too mention you really don't want *less* front traction (or any imbalance in grip at either end) once you crest it!!! you only have to browse youtube to see all the calamities that occur when a car "gets out of shape" on that downhill left hander between the crest of Schwendenkreuz and the downhill straight into to Aremberg ...
Or the approach to Schwedenkreuz at the Nürburgring where speeds are nearly 160 mph. You want your rear end tied down there!
another one is the Kesselchen "kink" Ive never been able to go thru that without a "confidence" lift just before turn in, until I took the .2 GT3 there ... car understeers on the exit anyway and at those speeds you use up *all* the track as it is ... having more push there could get ugly fast!
Adding more front downforce could be a good thing up to a point, but at really high speeds it could be a very bad idea without balancing with more rear downforce. Suppose you are at Nürburgring or some place with very high speed corners. More downforce would push the front tires further into the track (good) but it would tend to raise the rear of the car like a teeter-totter (bad). I wouldn't do one without the other...
Maybe using the high downforce setting on rear wing would be enough to offset the extra downforce on most tracks - would have to inquire of Manthey.
I also wonder if they increase the rear spring rates to compensate?
holy sh*t! ... that is huge compared to the OEM wing ... so whats' your experience with it? - obviously much less rear vis ... but how about the handling - and did you combine with other MR mods or not?
Or the approach to Schwedenkreuz at the Nürburgring where speeds are nearly 160 mph. You want your rear end tied down there!
Indeed!
The Kink is a bit of a pucker as there are concrete walls about two car widths off the track, and they bear a lot of paint from impacts over the years.
We've emailed to ask about the use of the Cup front lip in combination with the larger rear wing - will report back. We weren't part of the development of that setup so cannot comment much other than the obvious, clearly they were attempting to balance with the larger rear wing.
Here's a clearer picture of the latest front lip setup on the Manthey Racing 991.2 GT3, taken in September during our visit. Also - note the extreme angle that the rear wing is set at.
We've emailed to ask about the use of the Cup front lip in combination with the larger rear wing - will report back. We weren't part of the development of that setup so cannot comment much other than the obvious, clearly they were attempting to balance with the larger rear wing.
Here's a clearer picture of the latest front lip setup on the Manthey Racing 991.2 GT3, taken in September during our visit. Also - note the extreme angle that the rear wing is set at.
Can you inquire with MR about when the vertical side pieces for use with the cup lip will be available? Very interested in this.
01-11-2019, 01:36 PM
