Chris Harris: The last NA engine thing might be over
01-05-2019, 05:13 AM
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Chris Harris: The last NA engine thing might be over
Nice review of the Pista. Right at the end of the video at 11:35, Chris makes the comment that the GT2 RS and Pista Turbo engines are now so good that the " the last NA engine thing might be over" and implies that the prices demanded by cars like the Speciale might not be worth it anymore. And to a large extent, I agree with him. It may be blasphemous on this forum, but I would like to see the 992 GT3 RS go turbo and be a sort of a mini-GT2 RS.
01-05-2019, 05:41 AM
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It was a good video. Maybe though the next "turbo" is hybrid... if you look at 918 and the 911 chassis this is already setup to happen. Possibly the "gt3" and gt3rs get hybrid to keep that NA character, and the current Turbo and gt2 stay turbo?
There's definitely a market segmentation opportunity here.. maybe they put a small/lower weight hybrid battery in the "3" cars to keep the NA character but add some torque.. while the Turbo cars maintain top performance supremacy?
There's definitely a market segmentation opportunity here.. maybe they put a small/lower weight hybrid battery in the "3" cars to keep the NA character but add some torque.. while the Turbo cars maintain top performance supremacy?
01-05-2019, 06:17 AM
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I saw this, and realised my experience in owning a 488 and GT2RS is the opposite. Both great engines, very little lag and approaching responsiveness of an NA.
And in being so good, actually reinforce that they will never be able to match the best n/a.
I think everything going turbo is helping me lose my mojo for new cars. (Amongst lots of other factors)
In fact, I think I prefer my turbos to be old school with massive lag and hard to keep on boost! At least then they had their own character, instead of trying to be something they’ll always be second rate at.
(and hybrids are too heavy...)
And in being so good, actually reinforce that they will never be able to match the best n/a.
I think everything going turbo is helping me lose my mojo for new cars. (Amongst lots of other factors)
In fact, I think I prefer my turbos to be old school with massive lag and hard to keep on boost! At least then they had their own character, instead of trying to be something they’ll always be second rate at.
(and hybrids are too heavy...)
01-05-2019, 09:23 AM
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Having owned a 2RS and .2 3RS.... the cars are so different that there’s no way one can replace the other unless one is focused entirely on lap times.
01-05-2019, 09:37 AM
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01-05-2019, 09:54 AM
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Slowly but surely the nostalgia gives way to the improved results for most of us (not all, but most). Water cooled, PDK, turbo, etc.
01-05-2019, 10:07 AM
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Key question to me is how much of the 120+ lbs. added to the new Carrera S will carry over to the GT3 and RS. If it cannot be substantially reduced in a cost effective way, they’ll need to add meaningful power to surpass the performance of both the current generation GT cars and the 992 GTS. Hybrid or turbo may be the only way to do that.
01-05-2019, 10:11 AM
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Key question to me is how much of the 120+ lbs. added to the new Carrera S will carry over to the GT3 and RS. If it cannot be substantially reduced in a cost effective way, they’ll need to add meaningful power to surpass the performance of both the current generation GT cars and the 992 GTS. Hybrid or turbo may be the only way to do that.
992.2 RS will be hybrid with torque-fill on the low end and glorious N/A wail on the top end. It'll be a significant leap forward in both lap times and driveability over the 992.1 RS. 992.1 RS demand is already plummeting...
01-05-2019, 10:11 AM
#12
Love Chris Harris, but he is a real driver, for whom max performance matters.
For those of us who are just untalented and untrained hobbyists, keeping things naturally aspirated is arguably more important, as the difference in visceral experience is noticeable even in moderate driving situations.
For those of us who are just untalented and untrained hobbyists, keeping things naturally aspirated is arguably more important, as the difference in visceral experience is noticeable even in moderate driving situations.
01-05-2019, 10:18 AM
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There isn’t anything for me beyond the .2 GT3 because it ticks the all the boxes. Important to know when the apex has been achieved and goal is to stay there.
01-05-2019, 10:21 AM
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Bulk of the weight gain is in the new PDK box to accommodate hybrid tech, so we know that can't be eliminated.
992.2 RS will be hybrid with torque-fill on the low end and glorious N/A wail on the top end. It'll be a significant leap forward in both lap times and driveability over the 992.1 RS. 992.1 RS demand is already plummeting...
992.2 RS will be hybrid with torque-fill on the low end and glorious N/A wail on the top end. It'll be a significant leap forward in both lap times and driveability over the 992.1 RS. 992.1 RS demand is already plummeting...
01-05-2019, 10:55 AM
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