2019 GT3 RS Leasing - Anyone have experience in this? Money Factor?
#76
Drifting
1. This entire post makes absolutely no sense.
2. You never pass an opportunity to make underhanded claims that other people aren't as wealthy as you, whether it was the discussion about McLaren depreciation, or here when you claim that "people can't write the check." In fact, the overwhelming majority of GT buyers pay cash and don't even blink; a good portion have multiple Porsches in their garage. Many of the guys on this forum could buy a dealership if they truly wanted to. Some choose to lease, not because they "can't write the check," but because it's simply smarter and they've seen how it works to their advantage. You have this strange misconception that you're in some unique class and others "can't write checks" like you. It's incredibly annoying.
2. You never pass an opportunity to make underhanded claims that other people aren't as wealthy as you, whether it was the discussion about McLaren depreciation, or here when you claim that "people can't write the check." In fact, the overwhelming majority of GT buyers pay cash and don't even blink; a good portion have multiple Porsches in their garage. Many of the guys on this forum could buy a dealership if they truly wanted to. Some choose to lease, not because they "can't write the check," but because it's simply smarter and they've seen how it works to their advantage. You have this strange misconception that you're in some unique class and others "can't write checks" like you. It's incredibly annoying.
.... likely a simple misunderstanding.
#77
Rennlist Member
#78
I am reading the same thread as you are and I don't see him making any "underhanded claims" about others. He is simply trying to understand what/where the benefits are and if you read up, you will see that orthojoe, explained it well enough for him.. and he acknowledged as much.
.... likely a simple misunderstanding.
.... likely a simple misunderstanding.
#79
Rennlist Member
A HELOC is probably the worst decision you could make. Banks advertise an extremely low interest rate on HELOC’s which always lure buyers, but they don’t tell you how many years your balance is amortized. Low rates amortized over a long period is dramatically more expensive than a slightly higher fixed rate amortized over 5-6 years.
That said, I’d expect I agree with you in your conclusion and a better way to go for the OP would be a car loan or lease for the car and just about every loan vehicle can be assessed independently as a way to fund the business. And that can keep business vs. personal liability separate which is good form regardless of the details.
If the owner just wants to flip the GT car for a profit and the state of residence allows him to pay sales tax on the use only, then leasing is a great option. (Maybe that’s the hidden detail.) Otherwise, it’s hard to beat financing with little down to minimize cash outlay. Financing brings a higher payment obligation precisely because of the repayment term. If drawing money for a business is another goal and 8% isn’t too expensive, it seems like a loan or credit line for the right amount to invest in the business will solve that problem and the OP can take the cheapest overall package to pay for the car by considering cash outlay, taxes, depreciation, and risk as a total package. Open lease, closed lease, traditional financing, long term up to interest only financing, whatever.
#80
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Disagree.
This is the continuation from another thread where another RL’er called him out on the same thing. He always circles back to the same argument: a judgement on whether others can afford “to write the check” like he can. It’s ridiculous.
On this leasing topic, it’s not a function of affordability. It’s a function of maximizing your equity, especially since your tax obligation is minimal unlike paying cash or financing.
And you can do this regardless of what state you live in. The only exception would be those states which tax the entire lease upfront.
This is the continuation from another thread where another RL’er called him out on the same thing. He always circles back to the same argument: a judgement on whether others can afford “to write the check” like he can. It’s ridiculous.
On this leasing topic, it’s not a function of affordability. It’s a function of maximizing your equity, especially since your tax obligation is minimal unlike paying cash or financing.
And you can do this regardless of what state you live in. The only exception would be those states which tax the entire lease upfront.
#81
1. This entire post makes absolutely no sense.
2. You never pass an opportunity to make underhanded claims that other people aren't as wealthy as you, whether it was the discussion about McLaren depreciation, or here when you claim that "people can't write the check." In fact, the overwhelming majority of GT buyers pay cash and don't even blink; a good portion have multiple Porsches in their garage. Many of the guys on this forum could buy a dealership if they truly wanted to. Some choose to lease, not because they "can't write the check," but because it's simply smarter and they've seen how it works to their advantage. You have this strange misconception that you're in some unique class and others "can't write checks" like you. It's incredibly annoying.
2. You never pass an opportunity to make underhanded claims that other people aren't as wealthy as you, whether it was the discussion about McLaren depreciation, or here when you claim that "people can't write the check." In fact, the overwhelming majority of GT buyers pay cash and don't even blink; a good portion have multiple Porsches in their garage. Many of the guys on this forum could buy a dealership if they truly wanted to. Some choose to lease, not because they "can't write the check," but because it's simply smarter and they've seen how it works to their advantage. You have this strange misconception that you're in some unique class and others "can't write checks" like you. It's incredibly annoying.
Its rs a simple discussion about leasing vs buying. Not quite sure why you are taking it so personally. Others seemed to be able to have a logical and polite conversation about the subject at hand without getting their panties in a bunch. Not sure why you can’t.
#82
Question: If I had an LLC that generates decent income, and assuming I'm going to keep a GT car long-term, how would I structure a lease for maximum tax benefit? Would the lease still offset the "cheaper" alternative of financing long-term since I will be keeping the car for more than a couple years?
#83
Disagree.
This is the continuation from another thread where another RL’er called him out on the same thing. He always circles back to the same argument: a judgement on whether others can afford “to write the check” like he can. It’s ridiculous.
On this leasing topic, it’s not a function of affordability. It’s a function of maximizing your equity, especially since your tax obligation is minimal unlike paying cash or financing.
And you can do this regardless of what state you live in. The only exception would be those states which tax the entire lease upfront.
#84
#85
Question: If I had an LLC that generates decent income, and assuming I'm going to keep a GT car long-term, how would I structure a lease for maximum tax benefit? Would the lease still offset the "cheaper" alternative of financing long-term since I will be keeping the car for more than a couple years?
#86
Intermediate
Thread Starter
I am about to finalize, how is black with WP, CCBs, and "gold" rims? I am fairly new to the GT Porsche world so looking for some help
@aparasch , are you structuring the lease personally or corporate?
@aparasch , are you structuring the lease personally or corporate?
That being said, im being told a lot of people are doing that and getting away with it.
I dont want to mess with the feds like that though, not worth it to me.
#87
Question: If I had an LLC that generates decent income, and assuming I'm going to keep a GT car long-term, how would I structure a lease for maximum tax benefit? Would the lease still offset the "cheaper" alternative of financing long-term since I will be keeping the car for more than a couple years?
#88
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by joejenie
I agree! That one would have worked. Wasn't smart enough back then to figure out I could play this AZ tax game. Remember, I'm new to AZ and still do most of my business in UT. How's the car? Itching for a new one yet?
#90
Rennlist Member
Yes, UT is sales tax on the full amount, but you do get trade in credit just like AZ. AZ does have a private seller clause that you don't have to pay sales tax if the car I used and not buying from a dealer. So here in AZ, buy a couple used cars and trade them in against the new one to get rid of the sales tax. Crazy loop hole. I had a friend recently buy a car on Sunday and trade it in on Monday.
Another thought. If you are crazy enough to try to write off the car in your business as a company vehicle. You do the 3-5 year lease with high miles so the residual is really low. Then buy it personally at the end of the lease. I would have to do the numbers, but might be a good way to write off most of the payments and own it personally at the end.
Another thought. If you are crazy enough to try to write off the car in your business as a company vehicle. You do the 3-5 year lease with high miles so the residual is really low. Then buy it personally at the end of the lease. I would have to do the numbers, but might be a good way to write off most of the payments and own it personally at the end.