Ready to pull trigger on .1 GT3... Need Feedback
12-14-2018, 05:46 PM
#31
Very true indeed. I tend to lease BMWs but lately their lease programs have been terrible (no more MSDs, low residuals, and high money factor). Lease numbers for an F90 M5 are horrendous!
12-14-2018, 05:58 PM
#32
Is the conventional wisdom on the higher mileage 2014-2015 GT3's (20k+ miles) with original engines that -- if they were going to break due to the cam/rocker/finger follower issues -- they would have already done so by that point? Or is it simply too hard to know? Sorry to re-plow that ground but I'm a GT car newbie looking to get his feet wet like the original poster.
I'm toying with going the 991.1 GT3 route when the equity markets really hit the skids next year, but I'm also considering a 570s. I expect that the market for these cars will continue to soften into next year. The risk seems to be the .1 GT3 cam assembly weakness versus the McLaren gremlins. But what great cars.
I'm toying with going the 991.1 GT3 route when the equity markets really hit the skids next year, but I'm also considering a 570s. I expect that the market for these cars will continue to soften into next year. The risk seems to be the .1 GT3 cam assembly weakness versus the McLaren gremlins. But what great cars.
12-14-2018, 06:11 PM
#33
Is the conventional wisdom on the higher mileage 2014-2015 GT3's (20k+ miles) with original engines that -- if they were going to break due to the cam/rocker/finger follower issues -- they would have already done so by that point? Or is it simply too hard to know? Sorry to re-plow that ground but I'm a GT car newbie looking to get his feet wet like the original poster.
I'm toying with going the 991.1 GT3 route when the equity markets really hit the skids next year, but I'm also considering a 570s. I expect that the market for these cars will continue to soften into next year. The risk seems to be the .1 GT3 cam assembly weakness versus the McLaren gremlins. But what great cars.
I'm toying with going the 991.1 GT3 route when the equity markets really hit the skids next year, but I'm also considering a 570s. I expect that the market for these cars will continue to soften into next year. The risk seems to be the .1 GT3 cam assembly weakness versus the McLaren gremlins. But what great cars.
12-14-2018, 06:13 PM
#34
Is the conventional wisdom on the higher mileage 2014-2015 GT3's (20k+ miles) with original engines that -- if they were going to break due to the cam/rocker/finger follower issues -- they would have already done so by that point? Or is it simply too hard to know? Sorry to re-plow that ground but I'm a GT car newbie looking to get his feet wet like the original poster.
I'm toying with going the 991.1 GT3 route when the equity markets really hit the skids next year, but I'm also considering a 570s. I expect that the market for these cars will continue to soften into next year. The risk seems to be the .1 GT3 cam assembly weakness versus the McLaren gremlins. But what great cars.
I'm toying with going the 991.1 GT3 route when the equity markets really hit the skids next year, but I'm also considering a 570s. I expect that the market for these cars will continue to soften into next year. The risk seems to be the .1 GT3 cam assembly weakness versus the McLaren gremlins. But what great cars.
But on the other hand, if the car was tracked regularly and has this type of mileage and no engine failure, it's unlikely it will show up later on. But you will most likely looking at other items that will need attention soon with that kind of mileage and lots of it being track time.
The bottomline is that the .1's have a 10yr/100k warranty on the motors. I bought my 2015 with less than 5k on the clock and don't plan to track it. I will just be doing spirited canyon runs on the weekends. If the engine blows, I will just take it into Porsche and have a new one installed.
It's also worth noting the most .1 GT3's will never experience this issue. IMO the .1 engine warranty is one of the best reasons to buy a .1 GT3 and drive the hell out of it
Last edited by phow; 12-14-2018 at 07:18 PM.
12-14-2018, 09:38 PM
#35
Rennlist Member
It's also worth noting the most .1 GT3's will never experience this issue. IMO the .1 engine warranty is one of the best reasons to buy a .1 GT3 and drive the hell out of it
12-14-2018, 11:41 PM
#36
It depends. If a GT3 with 20k+ miles has seen zero track days and just some spirited driving here and there, the issue may not have had a chance to show up yet. You could take it to the track and after a few hard laps have an engine failure.
But on the other hand, if the car was tracked regularly and has this type of mileage and no engine failure, it's unlikely it will show up later on. But you will most likely looking at other items that will need attention soon with that kind of mileage and lots of it being track time.
The bottomline is that the .1's have a 10yr/100k warranty on the motors. I bought my 2015 with less than 5k on the clock and don't plan to track it. I will just be doing spirited canyon runs on the weekends. If the engine blows, I will just take it into Porsche and have a new one installed.
It's also worth noting the most .1 GT3's will never experience this issue. IMO the .1 engine warranty is one of the best reasons to buy a .1 GT3 and drive the hell out of it
But on the other hand, if the car was tracked regularly and has this type of mileage and no engine failure, it's unlikely it will show up later on. But you will most likely looking at other items that will need attention soon with that kind of mileage and lots of it being track time.
The bottomline is that the .1's have a 10yr/100k warranty on the motors. I bought my 2015 with less than 5k on the clock and don't plan to track it. I will just be doing spirited canyon runs on the weekends. If the engine blows, I will just take it into Porsche and have a new one installed.
It's also worth noting the most .1 GT3's will never experience this issue. IMO the .1 engine warranty is one of the best reasons to buy a .1 GT3 and drive the hell out of it
12-15-2018, 01:36 AM
#37
12-15-2018, 02:04 AM
#38
Rennlist Member
I would be more worried about cars that have had spirited drives here and there. It’s 50 / 50, some of those spirited drives could have been and some likely have been revved when cold, mostly people that don’t know or don’t care. Usually, but not always, people who track, know their cars well and do take care of them well.
12-15-2018, 02:14 AM
#39
I would be more worried about cars that have had spirited drives here and there. It’s 50 / 50, some of those spirited drives could have been and some likely have been revved when cold, mostly people that don’t know or don’t care. Usually, but not always, people who track, know their cars well and do take care of them well.
No matter how well someone knows or cares for their car, if they are tracking it regularly, they are putting hard miles on the vehicle.
I’ll definitley take a weekend canyon car over someone’s track toy. But that’s just me
12-15-2018, 02:39 AM
#40
Rennlist Member
eh... during the PPI one of the main points of concern is if the vehicle has been heavily tracked or not. It’s extremely obvious if it has been since the added stress from the track shows itself throughout various components.
No matter how well someone knows or cares for their car, if they are tracking it regularly, they are putting hard miles on the vehicle.
I’ll definitley take a weekend canyon car over someone’s track toy. But that’s just me
12-15-2018, 11:07 AM
#41
I am not arguing at all on your point that tracking will put more stress on the engine and other components. It is kind of obvious. But I have seen in person and watched countless videos on youtube how people go from cold start to 9k redline from standstill, makes me cringe. I am just saying be careful and keep this in mind. A good weekend worrier, I agree, will be better than a heavily tracked car. But it can take a few stupid mistakes to ruin an engine, or at least f- it up in some way.
I just feel tracking puts a guaranteed level of stress on the car. Sure there is a chance of added stress as well if someone did something stupid during the ownership period of the car that was lightly driven. But I would personally choose the latter. That’s just me.
Combine that with the extended engine warranty and it would honestly be the least of my concerns. But I agree in other situations it’s a much more immediate concern.
12-15-2018, 12:00 PM
#43
Race Director
12-15-2018, 12:59 PM
#44
Mine is a 2015. Just finished the first 4 years so 6 more years to go, or 120k miles, on the engine itself. These cars are holding their value very well because the only knock on the car was eliminated, and they are a bargain relative to the new ones. Best car for the money out there. A real beauty too!
12-15-2018, 03:32 PM
#45
Mine is a 2015. Just finished the first 4 years so 6 more years to go, or 120k miles, on the engine itself. These cars are holding their value very well because the only knock on the car was eliminated, and they are a bargain relative to the new ones. Best car for the money out there. A real beauty too!
This car will definitely hold me over until the 992 GT3 becomes available.