View Poll Results: GT3 touring future classic
Yes
117
35.78%
No way
99
30.28%
Maybe-ish
111
33.94%
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Let's discuss - GT3 touring future classic?
#31
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The touring value is a temporary thing for a few years. The touring is produced in higher numbers than each of the Targa iterations...and the GTS models.....
The 992 will take care of the collectibility factor as the car will basically be the same in Touring mode and with more power.........in 2018 close to 500 Touring delivered so far and as a previous contributor mentioned it is a trim of the 2018 GT3 of which they made 2500 for the US......Close to 8500 world wide.......
The Speedster trumps it.........same model more desirable and less production...........
The 992 will take care of the collectibility factor as the car will basically be the same in Touring mode and with more power.........in 2018 close to 500 Touring delivered so far and as a previous contributor mentioned it is a trim of the 2018 GT3 of which they made 2500 for the US......Close to 8500 world wide.......
The Speedster trumps it.........same model more desirable and less production...........
#32
Nordschleife Master
Of any car I’ve owned...and I’ve owned too many to admit. It’s my favorite
but I’m daily driving it, don’t care what it’s worth because I won’t sell it
pretty much the perfect car
in the long run 20 years from now they might be collectible
as Jerry Seinfeld called it...dead guy car...only trades hands when owner dies
Between my touring and defender I really don’t ever need any other cars
I will buy a 911R one day thou, have a “high” mileage one I’m in line for....4,000 miles high lol
but I’m daily driving it, don’t care what it’s worth because I won’t sell it
pretty much the perfect car
in the long run 20 years from now they might be collectible
as Jerry Seinfeld called it...dead guy car...only trades hands when owner dies
Between my touring and defender I really don’t ever need any other cars
I will buy a 911R one day thou, have a “high” mileage one I’m in line for....4,000 miles high lol
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#33
Race Director
This is another Value threat but I will bite-
The R will be collectible not the Touring. No plaque, not numbered- just a trim package of it's Big Daddy- (The Wingey gave birth to her- )
There will be a 992 Touring and I bet a Convertible version some time.
But - if the 992 iterations are FI - they will all be instant classics especially because of the Manual.
Now - I hope this does not happen because I do not want my car to appreciate. Then I might start being too careful with her and then it will be no longer fun to drive. If She depreciates slowly- a bonus.
The R will be collectible not the Touring. No plaque, not numbered- just a trim package of it's Big Daddy- (The Wingey gave birth to her- )
There will be a 992 Touring and I bet a Convertible version some time.
But - if the 992 iterations are FI - they will all be instant classics especially because of the Manual.
Now - I hope this does not happen because I do not want my car to appreciate. Then I might start being too careful with her and then it will be no longer fun to drive. If She depreciates slowly- a bonus.
#34
SJW, a Carin' kinda guy
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I know or a NAS 110 that sold in the teens when it was a few years old. I owned a 94 D90 POE which sat on the lot well into 1995. I was offered an ECR rebuilt hella edition NAS D90 (want to talk about rare there were only 4 made in unique colors) in the mid-50s with a blown 4.6 in the depths of the recession (still kicking myself on passing on that one). I thought for sure the importablity of ROW trucks would kill the NAS value, but if anything the opposite has happened.
Bottom line, you can never predict what will be collectible with any certainty (I am not bad at it as I got in on defenders and lotus early and air cooled fairly early, but only because I liked them) and if you actually want to drive the thing, collectibility is a mixed bag. On the plus side, people valuing them creates a market for parts so people start reproducing things and cars tend to be well cared for, on the downside parts get expensive/unobtainium, insurance is expensive and you worry when you are out you are going to bin something very valuable. I mean how many NAS defender 110s see off-road or 73RS see a track?
For now, the GT3T is a nice car with some potential for collectibility. But I don’t think it will be anything special for a couple decades if ever barring something like it being the last 6MT GT car which seems highly unlikely. So drive the thing.
PS drifting, the guys tracking the builds are pulling the build sheets for each car. So while there is some margin for error, if anything, there numbers are probably a bit low. Estimate sure, but a very accurate one.
Bottom line, you can never predict what will be collectible with any certainty (I am not bad at it as I got in on defenders and lotus early and air cooled fairly early, but only because I liked them) and if you actually want to drive the thing, collectibility is a mixed bag. On the plus side, people valuing them creates a market for parts so people start reproducing things and cars tend to be well cared for, on the downside parts get expensive/unobtainium, insurance is expensive and you worry when you are out you are going to bin something very valuable. I mean how many NAS defender 110s see off-road or 73RS see a track?
For now, the GT3T is a nice car with some potential for collectibility. But I don’t think it will be anything special for a couple decades if ever barring something like it being the last 6MT GT car which seems highly unlikely. So drive the thing.
PS drifting, the guys tracking the builds are pulling the build sheets for each car. So while there is some margin for error, if anything, there numbers are probably a bit low. Estimate sure, but a very accurate one.
#35
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Best looking 991
when winged i do prefer 997
when winged i do prefer 997
#36
Nordschleife Master
I know or a NAS 110 that sold in the teens when it was a few years old. I owned a 94 D90 POE which sat on the lot well into 1995. I was offered an ECR rebuilt hella edition NAS D90 (want to talk about rare there were only 4 made in unique colors) in the mid-50s with a blown 4.6 in the depths of the recession (still kicking myself on passing on that one). I thought for sure the importablity of ROW trucks would kill the NAS value, but if anything the opposite has happened.
Bottom line, you can never predict what will be collectible with any certainty (I am not bad at it as I got in on defenders and lotus early and air cooled fairly early, but only because I liked them) and if you actually want to drive the thing, collectibility is a mixed bag. On the plus side, people valuing them creates a market for parts so people start reproducing things and cars tend to be well cared for, on the downside parts get expensive/unobtainium, insurance is expensive and you worry when you are out you are going to bin something very valuable. I mean how many NAS defender 110s see off-road or 73RS see a track?
For now, the GT3T is a nice car with some potential for collectibility. But I don’t think it will be anything special for a couple decades if ever barring something like it being the last 6MT GT car which seems highly unlikely. So drive the thing.
PS drifting, the guys tracking the builds are pulling the build sheets for each car. So while there is some margin for error, if anything, there numbers are probably a bit low. Estimate sure, but a very accurate one.
sent it to safari hp, and it is like new now
people pay crazy money for them...weekly I get six figure offers for it...I just treat it as a normal car. They are numbered trucks thou. Not for everyone but very special
i wisj is I bought a 110 nas, they are rare gems
#37
SJW, a Carin' kinda guy
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i found my defender in a barn, 21k miles, nas spec...looked new...paid well under market . No rust anywhere
sent it to safari hp, and it is like new now
people pay crazy money for them...weekly I get six figure offers for it...I just treat it as a normal car. They are numbered trucks thou. Not for everyone but very special
i wisj is I bought a 110 nas, they are rare gems
My NAS 110 is the never ending project. Part of the reason I decided to get into new Porsches now. Less wrench turning. Put it in perspective, the number of GT3T will be about the same as NAS 110 (there were 535).
#38
RL Community Team
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The Touring is a spayed GT3
#39
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#40
This. I may even exclude the GT2s from last list with the pace they keep cranking out more of them.
If Singer 30 yrs from now does a recreation based on the 991.2 body - there is a chance - otherwise can't see a good reason.
Too many produced, at the end of the day it is a trim package, and I wouldn't consider it 'rare' in the sense that there are still a lot of them built to be considered 'exclusive' or limited. On that note, - if you look at the NA statistics, there are just as many Tourings as manual Wing cars (literally just 10 cars difference), I don't see a deviation between one and the other in terms of price movements.
If Singer 30 yrs from now does a recreation based on the 991.2 body - there is a chance - otherwise can't see a good reason.
Too many produced, at the end of the day it is a trim package, and I wouldn't consider it 'rare' in the sense that there are still a lot of them built to be considered 'exclusive' or limited. On that note, - if you look at the NA statistics, there are just as many Tourings as manual Wing cars (literally just 10 cars difference), I don't see a deviation between one and the other in terms of price movements.
#41
The market for collectible cars is dynamic. This means that each year the number of players IN THE MARKET changes and on average over time gets larger although can shrink along the way. By this I mean car collecting ebbs and flows depending upon many market factors. However The number of TOTAL potential players gets larger every year because every single day there are approx 227,000 (growing exponentially) more people on earth than the day before. Over time demand overtakes supply of collectibles causing prices to rise or at least not fall. So while Porsche produces more cars today than it did 10 years ago, its still produces very few GT cars relatively speaking and the size of the active pool of buyers continues to increase along with the supply. With that said I would bet on the 997 GT cars. Beautiful, well built, fast, analog and more rare. Regardless 991.2 GT cars will hold their own. They are still super rare relatively speaking. I have not seen one in a month and I’m in H Town.
#42
Racer
Most collectible cars these days most mechanics can work on. Wait 15 or 20 years and see what these electronic wizard machines that we have now are like to work on. They will be a complete nightmare. All of the electronic suspension bits, the rear wheel steering, crazy computer activated transmissions. These are not things that collectible cars are made of. Plus there won't even be 93 octane available.
#44
I have one coming that will be my daily driver. Driving it yields the best value to me.
#45
SJW, a Carin' kinda guy
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Most collectible cars these days most mechanics can work on. Wait 15 or 20 years and see what these electronic wizard machines that we have now are like to work on. They will be a complete nightmare. All of the electronic suspension bits, the rear wheel steering, crazy computer activated transmissions. These are not things that collectible cars are made of. Plus there won't even be 93 octane available.