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Old 11-29-2018, 09:46 PM
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Yes!! People rave about BMW M2 for 65k. Please, before doing that, drive the Alfa 4C. Itís no contest.
I would consider 4C and the new Alpine, but neither is available for Euro Delivery. With BMWís 5% discount for ED (if you can find a dealer to honor it), itís only $57k for the M2 Competition. And itís also the only one of the 3 to offer a Manual (and 6 cylinders).
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Old 11-29-2018, 09:54 PM
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Article is far from "conclusive". It is riddled with qualifiers.
Time will tell.
The 992 S is 5 seconds faster than the 991.2S at the Ring despite it being heavier.
I can see the 992GT3 dropping more weight with the MT, CF fenders, lighter wheels and less carpeting, CF buckets. Power likely up to 520 hp for the GT3 and 540hp for the RS.
What is for sure certain is that PAG will not release new GT cars that are slower than their predecessors.
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Old 11-29-2018, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mac10 View Post
N/A for at least another generation?

https://www.motoring.com.au/naturall...o-stay-115862/
I believe you need a lesson in reading comprehension.
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Old 11-29-2018, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG View Post

I would consider 4C and the new Alpine, but neither is available for Euro Delivery. With BMWís 5% discount for ED (if you can find a dealer to honor it), itís only $57k for the M2 Competition. And itís also the only one of the 3 to offer a Manual (and 6 cylinders).
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Old 11-29-2018, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Waxer View Post
Article is far from "conclusive". It is riddled with qualifiers.
Time will tell.
The 992 S is 5 seconds faster than the 991.2S at the Ring despite it being heavier.
I can see the 992GT3 dropping more weight with the MT, CF fenders, lighter wheels and less carpeting, CF buckets. Power likely up to 520 hp for the GT3 and 540hp for the RS.
What is for sure certain is that PAG will not release new GT cars that are slower than their predecessors.
It's not all about numbers, it's more about sensory feedback and tactile satisfaction. After a drive in the 4C my RS feels like a less raw and involving even though much faster and more capable drive if you can believe that... not all about numbers...
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG View Post

I would consider 4C and the new Alpine, but neither is available for Euro Delivery. With BMWís 5% discount for ED (if you can find a dealer to honor it), itís only $57k for the M2 Competition. And itís also the only one of the 3 to offer a Manual (and 6 cylinders).
Canít argue with that, but please drive the the 4c and the Guilia. The latter feels like the BMW of past brought to modern times. Itís not refined, does not feel like a luxary car at all. It feels like a sports sedan! It lacks the manual, but ticks the most important boxes.

ps: owned a F80 M3, now have a 4 cyl Giulia. I think the Giulia is a way better sports sedan, even with its measly 4 cyl engine.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Buteo View Post
Or join me in a BRZ TS purchase
Howís that coming? Find any good ones?
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:29 PM
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Whatever keeps those 991 GT3 values relatively down (so I can buy one) I am happy.

Seriously though I think for at least one more .1 generation they can still keep it atmospheric. Also have to remember it's more than sheer horsepower figures with these cars.
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Old 11-30-2018, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by catdog2 View Post


It's not all about numbers, it's more about sensory feedback and tactile satisfaction. After a drive in the 4C my RS feels like a less raw and involving even though much faster and more capable drive if you can believe that... not all about numbers...
Iím sorry. 4C?
I agree. Sensory and tactile have a major importance.
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Retirement is overrated.
My wallet hopes that NA is done with the 991s but if not then I gotta keep hustling. haha
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Yes!! People rave about BMW M2 for 65k. Please, before doing that, drive the Alfa 4C. Itís no contest.

I would only buy either of these cars as street toys not track times so 3 pedal is not a question, itís required. Based on a performance to price ratio in the US it really only leaves the M2. What other ~$60k 3 pedal cars perform as well?
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Originally Posted by Dot23RS View Post



I would only buy either of these cars as street toys not track times so 3 pedal is not a question, itís required. Based on a performance to price ratio in the US it really only leaves the M2. What other ~$60k 3 pedal cars perform as well?
Corvette and GT350?
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Corvette and GT350?
not in this SoCal garage.
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Originally Posted by Waxer View Post
Article is far from "conclusive". It is riddled with qualifiers.
Time will tell.
The 992 S is 5 seconds faster than the 991.2S at the Ring despite it being heavier.
I can see the 992GT3 dropping more weight with the MT, CF fenders, lighter wheels and less carpeting, CF buckets. Power likely up to 520 hp for the GT3 and 540hp for the RS.
What is for sure certain is that PAG will not release new GT cars that are slower than their predecessors.
agree that PAG doesn’t release new GT cars slower than their predecessors, but unless they do something un Porsche like and make a real decrease in the weight, I don’t see how the next GT3 will be faster. They could remove carpet under seats like .2 RS, and do CF fenders, and maybe stock lighter wheels.
But even that only loses 25lbs, just a small fraction of the coming weight increase with the 992 body. Unless they do something more drastic, like retain the current 7 speed PDK which is another 25 lbs lighter than the new 8 speed PDK, this might be enough (with the expected 520 hp .2 RS engine) for the 992.1 GT3 to be slightly faster than the 991.2 GT3.

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Originally Posted by Waxer View Post
Article is far from "conclusive". It is riddled with qualifiers.
Time will tell.
The 992 S is 5 seconds faster than the 991.2S at the Ring despite it being heavier.
I can see the 992GT3 dropping more weight with the MT, CF fenders, lighter wheels and less carpeting, CF buckets. Power likely up to 520 hp for the GT3 and 540hp for the RS.
What is for sure certain is that PAG will not release new GT cars that are slower than their predecessors.
each gen is faster
each gen has less feel
I now drive a 1973 mostly.

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Or join me in a BRZ TS purchase
not sure what BRZ TS differs from BRZ
I had a BRZ, what a utter POS
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It's not all about numbers, it's more about sensory feedback and tactile satisfaction. After a drive in the 4C my RS feels like a less raw and involving even though much faster and more capable drive if you can believe that... not all about numbers...
yes

Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3 View Post
My wallet hopes that NA is done with the 991s but if not then I gotta keep hustling. haha
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Originally Posted by gago1101 View Post


Yes!! People rave about BMW M2 for 65k.
bc many ppl cannot drive.
bmw has not made a decent car for over 10 years. maybe even 15 years.
what part of M2 is good?
just b/c a car has a manual doesn't mean it's INVOLVING.
I drove 4C briefly and like it.



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