LA auto show - red rims, 200 units, 991
11-27-2018, 07:25 PM
#16
11-27-2018, 07:37 PM
#18
Burning Brakes
This is boring. AMG GTR Pro is more interesting.
11-27-2018, 08:03 PM
#19
Let's guess how much ADM. Half a million？
11-27-2018, 08:03 PM
#20
BTW with only 200 made, thats not even enough for 918 VIPs.
11-27-2018, 08:26 PM
#23
Burning Brakes
I do see the need and business case with this recent development of track-only performance cars (GT2RS CS, AMG GTR Pro, some offers from McLaren).
There is not enough safety in all street cars to be used at their limits on racetracks. The speeds street cars are achieving on racetracks are getting or exceeding professional race cars. Adding the necessary safety at the factory automatically makes the cars ineligible to be street legal.
Things to consider:
1) A proper full cage (not a rollbar)
2) Harnesses
3) Fire Extinguisher system
4) Racetrack oriented brake pads and brake fluid
5) Race tires
6) Additional brake cooling
7) Additional transmission and differential cooling
8) Stiff springs that can manage a true track tire
9) Stiff bushings that won't flex in excess when using true track tires.
10) Race wheels (because real track tires don't come in 21"+ wheels)
11) Race seats with enough support for track use
12) HANS compatible with the race seats
Some people address these 12 items, by adding them to their street cars. They would be adding +/- $25k on parts/labor, the car are still street legal because they have a license plate, but don't be involved on something serious with a passenger on the streets, as things could turn ugly due to these track oriented changes.
At the same time, the option should not be to buy a Pro-level or Pro-Am level race car, which are normally built for rules and regulations in the corresponding racing classes (GT4, GTE, GT3, GT2, and similar), and they need the support of a race shop, use special fuel, etc. The costs of running a GT3 Cup and similar offerings from Audi, Mercedes, McLaren, Ferrari are well documented.
So, there is a void between high performance cars that can be used for track days and true race cars. This is where these GT2 RS CS and AMG GTR Pro can play. Based on their street cars, with safety and track oriented modifications to serve the track enthusiasts that just want to DE their cars safely, not go into AM or PRO racing.
What I disagree with is the limited number. Let people order them and not place an artificial cap (or production number), deliver them with a limited warranty or no warranty at all, and build them so they can be maintained easily, without complex Motec and/or data acquisition, just oil changes, tires and brake pads, transported on open/enclosed trailer by any decent towing SUV. Most street cars I see on track days arrive in trailers anyway, so it is no different than transporting these track-day only cars.
At least on U.S. roads where most speed limits are fairly low, and roads are mostly flat, there is really no way to enjoy a GT2 RS, GT3 RS or something similar unless you are breaking traffic laws.
There is not enough safety in all street cars to be used at their limits on racetracks. The speeds street cars are achieving on racetracks are getting or exceeding professional race cars. Adding the necessary safety at the factory automatically makes the cars ineligible to be street legal.
Things to consider:
1) A proper full cage (not a rollbar)
2) Harnesses
3) Fire Extinguisher system
4) Racetrack oriented brake pads and brake fluid
5) Race tires
6) Additional brake cooling
7) Additional transmission and differential cooling
8) Stiff springs that can manage a true track tire
9) Stiff bushings that won't flex in excess when using true track tires.
10) Race wheels (because real track tires don't come in 21"+ wheels)
11) Race seats with enough support for track use
12) HANS compatible with the race seats
Some people address these 12 items, by adding them to their street cars. They would be adding +/- $25k on parts/labor, the car are still street legal because they have a license plate, but don't be involved on something serious with a passenger on the streets, as things could turn ugly due to these track oriented changes.
At the same time, the option should not be to buy a Pro-level or Pro-Am level race car, which are normally built for rules and regulations in the corresponding racing classes (GT4, GTE, GT3, GT2, and similar), and they need the support of a race shop, use special fuel, etc. The costs of running a GT3 Cup and similar offerings from Audi, Mercedes, McLaren, Ferrari are well documented.
So, there is a void between high performance cars that can be used for track days and true race cars. This is where these GT2 RS CS and AMG GTR Pro can play. Based on their street cars, with safety and track oriented modifications to serve the track enthusiasts that just want to DE their cars safely, not go into AM or PRO racing.
What I disagree with is the limited number. Let people order them and not place an artificial cap (or production number), deliver them with a limited warranty or no warranty at all, and build them so they can be maintained easily, without complex Motec and/or data acquisition, just oil changes, tires and brake pads, transported on open/enclosed trailer by any decent towing SUV. Most street cars I see on track days arrive in trailers anyway, so it is no different than transporting these track-day only cars.
At least on U.S. roads where most speed limits are fairly low, and roads are mostly flat, there is really no way to enjoy a GT2 RS, GT3 RS or something similar unless you are breaking traffic laws.
11-27-2018, 10:13 PM
#25
Rennlist Member
So much choice, de few series to race in.
On the other hand, its very safe and a race car with PDK could be coat effectieve to run in DE’s.
11-27-2018, 10:18 PM
#26
Rennlist Member
there are more cars that I'm surprised haven't been discussed, which are coming...or should I say variations. I don't think this will be in high demand. The limited edition cup car didn't even sell out, and was barely mentioned on this site.
11-27-2018, 10:36 PM
#27
Rennlist Member
I do see the need and business case with this recent development of track-only performance cars (GT2RS CS, AMG GTR Pro, some offers from McLaren).
There is not enough safety in all street cars to be used at their limits on racetracks. The speeds street cars are achieving on racetracks are getting or exceeding professional race cars. Adding the necessary safety at the factory automatically makes the cars ineligible to be street legal.
Things to consider:
1) A proper full cage (not a rollbar)
2) Harnesses
3) Fire Extinguisher system
4) Racetrack oriented brake pads and brake fluid
5) Race tires
6) Additional brake cooling
7) Additional transmission and differential cooling
8) Stiff springs that can manage a true track tire
9) Stiff bushings that won't flex in excess when using true track tires.
10) Race wheels (because real track tires don't come in 21"+ wheels)
11) Race seats with enough support for track use
12) HANS compatible with the race seats
Some people address these 12 items, by adding them to their street cars. They would be adding +/- $25k on parts/labor, the car are still street legal because they have a license plate, but don't be involved on something serious with a passenger on the streets, as things could turn ugly due to these track oriented changes.
At the same time, the option should not be to buy a Pro-level or Pro-Am level race car, which are normally built for rules and regulations in the corresponding racing classes (GT4, GTE, GT3, GT2, and similar), and they need the support of a race shop, use special fuel, etc. The costs of running a GT3 Cup and similar offerings from Audi, Mercedes, McLaren, Ferrari are well documented.
So, there is a void between high performance cars that can be used for track days and true race cars. This is where these GT2 RS CS and AMG GTR Pro can play. Based on their street cars, with safety and track oriented modifications to serve the track enthusiasts that just want to DE their cars safely, not go into AM or PRO racing.
What I disagree with is the limited number. Let people order them and not place an artificial cap (or production number), deliver them with a limited warranty or no warranty at all, and build them so they can be maintained easily, without complex Motec and/or data acquisition, just oil changes, tires and brake pads, transported on open/enclosed trailer by any decent towing SUV. Most street cars I see on track days arrive in trailers anyway, so it is no different than transporting these track-day only cars.
At least on U.S. roads where most speed limits are fairly low, and roads are mostly flat, there is really no way to enjoy a GT2 RS, GT3 RS or something similar unless you are breaking traffic laws.
There is not enough safety in all street cars to be used at their limits on racetracks. The speeds street cars are achieving on racetracks are getting or exceeding professional race cars. Adding the necessary safety at the factory automatically makes the cars ineligible to be street legal.
Things to consider:
1) A proper full cage (not a rollbar)
2) Harnesses
3) Fire Extinguisher system
4) Racetrack oriented brake pads and brake fluid
5) Race tires
6) Additional brake cooling
7) Additional transmission and differential cooling
8) Stiff springs that can manage a true track tire
9) Stiff bushings that won't flex in excess when using true track tires.
10) Race wheels (because real track tires don't come in 21"+ wheels)
11) Race seats with enough support for track use
12) HANS compatible with the race seats
Some people address these 12 items, by adding them to their street cars. They would be adding +/- $25k on parts/labor, the car are still street legal because they have a license plate, but don't be involved on something serious with a passenger on the streets, as things could turn ugly due to these track oriented changes.
At the same time, the option should not be to buy a Pro-level or Pro-Am level race car, which are normally built for rules and regulations in the corresponding racing classes (GT4, GTE, GT3, GT2, and similar), and they need the support of a race shop, use special fuel, etc. The costs of running a GT3 Cup and similar offerings from Audi, Mercedes, McLaren, Ferrari are well documented.
So, there is a void between high performance cars that can be used for track days and true race cars. This is where these GT2 RS CS and AMG GTR Pro can play. Based on their street cars, with safety and track oriented modifications to serve the track enthusiasts that just want to DE their cars safely, not go into AM or PRO racing.
What I disagree with is the limited number. Let people order them and not place an artificial cap (or production number), deliver them with a limited warranty or no warranty at all, and build them so they can be maintained easily, without complex Motec and/or data acquisition, just oil changes, tires and brake pads, transported on open/enclosed trailer by any decent towing SUV. Most street cars I see on track days arrive in trailers anyway, so it is no different than transporting these track-day only cars.
At least on U.S. roads where most speed limits are fairly low, and roads are mostly flat, there is really no way to enjoy a GT2 RS, GT3 RS or something similar unless you are breaking traffic laws.
11-28-2018, 11:41 AM
#28
Burning Brakes
If you can't drive it to Cars and Coffee to show off to your friends, Porsche will miss 98% of that market.
When the remaining 2% are smoked in their first HPDE by a GT3 Cup Car at half the price, their goes the rest.
Only the Bubble Wrappers will remain.
When the remaining 2% are smoked in their first HPDE by a GT3 Cup Car at half the price, their goes the rest.
Only the Bubble Wrappers will remain.
11-28-2018, 12:09 PM
#30
