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Old 11-23-2018, 12:50 PM
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While the manual GT3 has a mechanical diff and the PDK version has an electronic one instead, what are the weight differences and which one provides better traction mid corner and out of corner?
Old 11-23-2018, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bli8
While the manual GT3 has a mechanical diff and the PDK version has an electronic one instead, what are the weight differences and which one provides better traction mid corner and out of corner?
The Pdk transaxle including e-diff is 37 pounds heavier (not sure how much e-diff contributes). Both have great traction, but long-term effectiveness of manual version has yet to be established...
Old 11-23-2018, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG

The Pdk transaxle including e-diff is 37 pounds heavier (not sure how much e-diff contributes). Both have great traction, but long-term effectiveness of manual version has yet to be established...
There is a reason that previous gen model GT cars all replace their OEM diffs- they don’t last and are not necessarily ideal for track work. I have no reason to believe this is not the case with the 991.2.
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The ediff still has mechanical plates and is just electronically actuated, as opposed to the fully electronic system on Mclarens. I think the ediff on the Porsche is one of the most important factors in its handling, responding much faster out of the corner and allowing it to stay open under braking. I sometimes hear people saying that they prefer the feel of the mechanical diff to the ediff, but in actual fact the ediff does what the me mechanical one does, only much faster, and can do things that are not possible with a mechanical diff at all.
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McLarens don’t have an LSD at all. They just apply the brake to a spinning wheel and use braking of the inside rear wheel to enhance turn-in to a corner.

Porsche’s e-diff locks more under braking (opening causes instability while on the brakes). The Manual LSD does the same.
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mclarens, last i read, all have open diffs. not sure with the senna tho....
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Old 11-23-2018, 04:38 PM
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Is the Mech LSD on the .2 beefier than previous iterations.
I guess no one has confirmef if it is an improved version
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I have driven both, have a manual, friend having a pdk, I cannot notice a difference, although that may change over mileage, but i would guess it would take 100k to see a change. I was always under the impression all LSD wear equally electronic or not, just the feeling of engagement that was different. I can see the E diff being more "exact" and having a better performance increase if it is involved with the ECU on the car and all the Nanny's are active. Should allow it to open and close dependent on the system,. That would be the, or should be the opposite on the manual diff. it would not respond tot he ECU and stay engaged or open when enough load is removed from the diff. I guess its in milliseconds, the diff on these cars are so tight in tolerance, I cannot feel it.
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Matt/GTGears related post in the GT4 forum -

Originally Posted by GTgears
The PTV+ e-LSD in the 991 GT3s is an engineering marvel. I don't think you will need to replace it. Having seen them first hand and reviewing how they function we currently have no plans to make one or offer parts for them. It's just that good.

PTV LSDs are another story. The GT4 is a PTV car and as people start driving them hard and finding the limits they will decide they want an LSD, especially since it will have the same hot rear brakes problem that the 987s have suffered from.
https://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/8959...l#post12762902
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Originally Posted by sunnyr
Matt/GTGears related post in the GT4 forum -



https://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/8959...l#post12762902
Does the manual 991.2 GT3 have PTV? I didn't think it did...
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Originally Posted by FourT6and2
Does the manual 991.2 GT3 have PTV? I didn't think it did...
If I have my Porsche nomenclature correct (and I may not, so apologies in advance), the 991.2 GT3 6MT has the PTV, which only has a mechanical LSD.

The GT3 PDK has the PTV Plus, which comes with the e-diff.

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i guess the tradition of chocolate, melt-in-your-mouth manual tranny car mechanical diffs from the porsche factory continues ...
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Originally Posted by FourT6and2
Does the manual 991.2 GT3 have PTV? I didn't think it did...
From https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/9...odels/911-gt3/





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Thanks for that. I couldn't find it on Porsche's website in the GT3 specs. So basically it will eat up and destroy the brakes even faster on track. Greeeaat.
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Originally Posted by FourT6and2
Thanks for that. I couldn't find it on Porsche's website in the GT3 specs. So basically it will eat up and destroy the brakes even faster on track. Greeeaat.
Don’t worry, rear brakes last a long time on track (unlike 997).


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