Dumped my GT3 manual for my new love
11-16-2018, 04:40 PM
#106
Instructor
Some people have their opinions made by others not based in facts,
Some people by have their opinions shaped by actual experience.
Just saying all 3 cars are AWESOME and those who put down one over the other without driving them more than a week are not giving a fair assessment.
11-16-2018, 05:09 PM
#107
AMG GTR does it all andgreat fun designed for the track though an absolute hoot on the street . Until you drive / own one you shouldn’t really offer a negative comment as the vast majority ( pretty much everyone ) that own both cars much prefer the GTR on the street. And those who track them
go faster than in a GT3.
11-16-2018, 06:29 PM
#109
Burning Brakes
Not at my track are the GTR's faster(BUT, that could just be the driver, I will admit that), and they definitely can't keep up the pace, brake fade pretty fast when driven hard,,,,,Bish will chime in on this and probably say" change the brake fluid and it will be fine". Heard that a 1000 tomes over on the MB forums. Race both on a track and see which one fades first and how long the GTR will need to cool down to go back out on the track. And, in a year, watch that price of the GTR just fade away just like its brakes..lol. Remember, this is a forum and I'm passionate about my GT3,and yes, have driven a GTR for 1 session on the track, for a heavy car it does have nice front end and balance, turn in is good.
You can only compare lap times with similar drivers. You think Hamilton will be slower in a GTR than you average driver in a GT3 at a track day?
11-16-2018, 07:08 PM
#111
There are a number of factors to consider and there is no one size fits all solution. Everyone will have a different preference. Personally, I think everyone here has been pretty fair with their responses to your post considering this is the GT3 section on Rennlist. You had to expect some push back when posting this
I'm sure mbworld or amggtforum would happily side with your POV.Considering both cars are very close in price, it's a totally different type of buyer that would prefer the GTR over the GT3 and vice versa. These are enthusiasts who are looking for totally different experiences and that's fine. Porsche dealers aren't getting 10-30k ADM for no reason on these cars. This is an apples and oranges comparison and these are not cars that are often cross-shopped. Now if you dumped the GT3 for a 570s, I could see a better comparison and discussion being had. Not because the 570s is better than the GTR, but because the 570s shares more similarities with a GT3 (even though there are still many differences).
Both the GT3 and GTR are excellent choices. They are just polar opposite experiences so it's really tough to have a constructive discussion when comparing them if that's what you were after.
Last edited by phow; 11-16-2018 at 07:23 PM.
11-16-2018, 11:58 PM
#112
Not at my track are the GTR's faster(BUT, that could just be the driver, I will admit that), and they definitely can't keep up the pace, brake fade pretty fast when driven hard,,,,,Bish will chime in on this and probably say" change the brake fluid and it will be fine". Heard that a 1000 tomes over on the MB forums. Race both on a track and see which one fades first and how long the GTR will need to cool down to go back out on the track. And, in a year, watch that price of the GTR just fade away just like its brakes..lol. Remember, this is a forum and I'm passionate about my GT3,and yes, have driven a GTR for 1 session on the track, for a heavy car it does have nice front end and balance, turn in is good.
Only the iron brakes on the GT Rs are known to fade on a road course. There have been no reports of brake fade on the car’s equipped with the CCMs that I can recall. Which btw I think are identical to Porsche PCCBs. If the iron brake shod cars had top of the line brake fluid and track oriented brake pads maybe they would last your average HPDE run session; but I tend to doubt it. There is a reason all of the AMG Academy GT Rs have CCMs.
In the middle of a KS summer, running the car as hard as I can in the Advanced run group, the car ran cool all day long. Never noticed any timing being pulled due to heat soak which is endemic in Z06s. Never once did I even come close to having to pit to allow the car to ‘cool off’.
I suspect that the same driver would be faster on many tracks in the GT R versus a 991.2 GT3, but a 991.2 RS would be a different ball game.
One thing: regardless of how differently they drive, I think that both cars are in fact ‘cross shopped’ if an owner is really interested in owning a street legal track weapon. Oh, and both are fantastic cars.
11-17-2018, 12:15 AM
#113
Maybe to a point. I would say if you are cross shopping a front engine FI V8 German muscle car and a rear engine NA flat six screamer, you don’t have a clue what you want.
11-17-2018, 12:37 AM
#114
Burning Brakes
That is a clueless statement. You surely don’t know what a muscle car is, I have a few real “muscle cars” and they are nothing like my GTR or GT3s.
11-17-2018, 12:43 AM
#115
Most would agree that “German muscle car” is an appropriate description of most AMG products including the GTR.
I absolutely stand by the statement that the GTR and GT3 have very little in common other than that they both get around a track quickly. They are polar opposite experiences. Both are great but in different ways and are rarely cross shopped.
11-17-2018, 11:32 AM
#116
Drifting
Mmmm not really. Depends on the buyer. I didn't set out knowing I wanted a Porsche. I just wanted a fun car with a little exotic blood mixed in. Started out considering an M2 or M4, but then quickly ran up the totem pole to F-Type, R8, Huracan, AMG GTR, and then ended up with a GT3. Was it because I didn't have a clue what I wanted? Maybe a little. Well hold on, I WANT all the cars. But I could only choose one. Out of all of them the GT3 just felt like the perfect fit.
11-17-2018, 11:52 AM
#117
11-17-2018, 12:28 PM
#118
Most of us that love cars love all kinds of cars, and of course we're going to cross shop different types of cars since money and garage space is limited. I love my GT3 but I also cross shopped it with the AMG GTR, Performante, McLaren 570s, 911 TTS etc etc.
11-17-2018, 12:36 PM
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Silly to say that AMG and Porsche wouldn't be cross-shopped. I have both, and like both, in part because they have some similarities that appeal to me.
11-17-2018, 12:37 PM
#120
Mmmm not really. Depends on the buyer. I didn't set out knowing I wanted a Porsche. I just wanted a fun car with a little exotic blood mixed in. Started out considering an M2 or M4, but then quickly ran up the totem pole to F-Type, R8, Huracan, AMG GTR, and then ended up with a GT3. Was it because I didn't have a clue what I wanted? Maybe a little. Well hold on, I WANT all the cars. But I could only choose one. Out of all of them the GT3 just felt like the perfect fit.
But I see that I was not very clear with my statement so I understand the confusion it may have caused.When I say “cross shopped” I mean strongly considered to the point where you are having trouble deciding between the (2) options.
If you have ~200k to spend and don’t have any experience with cars in this price point, I would strongly recommend that you drive everything that you can because you don’t yet know what you like. You are still going through the education process and learning the differences that each platform has to offer. That is not my definition of cross shopping.
Someone that is strongly considering buying a GT3 or a 570s is cross shopping.
Someone that is driving every option between 100k and 200k to figure out their preference is still leaning and doesn’t yet know what they want
This is why I say if you have one car to buy and you are strongly considering a GTR or a GT3 to fill that spot, you probably don’t really know what your driving preference is yet since they are so different. This is not to say you shouldn’t own both, I think it would be awesome to have a GTR in my garage as well. But it’s not a GT3 replacement and vice versa.