groundhog

Lol you and me both

^^ this is really how it is most poms and europeans understand this, particularly in rural areas - during harvesting you may find a combine blocking a whole road.

General comment to all.
When you live over there, in a rural area you quickly get used to modifying your driving style e.g. blind corners = slow down.

Europe/UK of GB and NI have high populations densities way higher than the US or Aus - thus you have to modify your driving being cognisant of where you are and the conditions (population density of the US ~ is around 35 people per square km, Wales in contrast is ~150 people per square km) - this is particularly the case on rural B and C class roads.

Thus its not a question of blame, its a question of driving to the conditions and anticipation - with a blind corner, you have to anticipate e.g. biker on the wrong side of the road, broken down car, combine harvester, caravan, cyclists in group etc etc (all of this is absolutely possible)

The reality is he may well have totalled a $US200k car and the guy driving the ute will get a fine and a couple of points. Another scenario is he could have t-boned the guy in the truck, perhaps wiping him out. Would it matter if the other guy was in the wrong?

Chris is a classic townie, have fast car, go to play in the country and video it for money...............he could have, should have slowed down for the blind corner. Thats what the most basic defensive driving course would have taught e.g. the speed limit is not a challenge it is the upper legal marker if the conditions are appropriate.

Track tests for speed and handling, road tests for compliance and comfort - its not worth mixing the two up. keep in mind there are a lot of videos of Chris and many other journos bombing rural public roads in various parts of the UK GB and NI particularly in Wales and Scotland.

You see the ring really does have a purpose

mooty

chris is a driver
GT3 is a car
a driver driving a car had an accident
this happens 50x a day every day literally everywhere
and we have 78 pages discussion.....
I am a driver I have a GT3, I almost had an accident driving home today reading and responding to this thread.....
whew, just missed that deer...

fxz

Mooty in US you might kill a deers
driving here you most likely kill a human

lesson for eurodelivery fans...

Perimeter

Right On.
He goes for the superlative each time and just pegs my BS meter

digits

I fail to understand how you can not be considered responsible for crashing into a large stationary object without some other circumstances contributing to the policeman's assessment... e.g. another car ran a red light, or you drove through an oil slick, or,... you are a celebrity.

Gravs

I agree. Always travel at a speed where you can stop within your line of sight. So Chris was obviously going too fast as he couldn't do that when he saw stationary object.

Obviously don't do a 3-point turn near a blind corner either!

mooty

noted. killing human not good

StealthGT3

CamsPorsche

Carrera2RS

A reminder that there can always be things stationary around blind corners. However if you take the approach that everyone will be driving expecting to have to come to a stop at the line of visibility so and set up a picnic in the middle of the road you are going to get into trouble........

I wonder people would be saying if it was a Nissan Mirca driven by a 75 year old lady had the accident, Dangerous place to turn, poor eye sight and slow responses ?

tgibrit

I don't know what part of the UK you drive in, but most do not slow significantly for blind corners and if you slowed to the point you could stop the car, you'll most likely to get rear ended.

Gravs

I live and drive in UK. I think I drive where I could stop within my sight line. Constantly managing that alongside avoiding being rear-ended is a big part of what driving is about.

I can think of plenty of times when it's single track and very tight and blind where I go very slow and use horn. But most of the time I feel like I don't slow very much so maybe I couldn't stop as per Chris. Definitely going to think about it specifically next time I'm out in the country to see. I find it an interesting question.

One other nuance to this that I don't think has been mentioned yet: I often find I drive at a speed which is only just safe but risks being inconvenient to others and wondered if anyone else did the same. For example, I might go at a speed where I reckon I could safely stop by slamming everything on, scaring my passengers half to death and having any passer-by thinking I'm a dick. But not so fast that I couldn't stop within sight line if you see what I mean. I.e. sort of sounds from my description like I'm driving too fast but it's still obviously slower than Chris.

tgibrit

I agree its prudent to modify your speed and its required by the Highway Code as far as I remember, my point was this does seem to be common practice and certainly in the Cotswolds you have many A roads with 60mph speed limits and if you were to slow to the point of being able to stop for blind crest / turns, that in and of itself would create a dangerous situation. as you pointed out, its all about managing the risks.

groundhog

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