Volume GT3RS > 5000?
#16
I don't think the Chinese market adore GT cars like us in NA. Buyers there will more likely buy an F car or a McLaren because even if they get a GT car not many people will really be able to tell what it is and how expensive it is.
#17
#18
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Who wants to listen to the OP? We need folks to please continue spreading how 991 GT2RSes GT3 GT3T GT3RSes are limited and deserve ADM and will make money in time and pay for our retirement etc etc.
We should keep this fluff going, so guys with cars can continue flipping their 1-of-5000-something and make money. So boneheads can continue publishing junk on the internet disguised as investment advice and market commentary like they are equity analysts.
Or we can wake up smell the coffee and realize that PAG has turned the GT line into volume product. This is going the way of AMG which now churns out 15k+ cars annually in all shapes. Do the math--we're not that far off when one adds up all the products to which AP's department lends its name.
We are at this weird point where a run of 1,948 is being advertised as "limited". Look back in automotive history, when has a 2,000 run of anything ever been deemed scarce?
Still wanna talk about widening market appeal / developing market absorption?
We should keep this fluff going, so guys with cars can continue flipping their 1-of-5000-something and make money. So boneheads can continue publishing junk on the internet disguised as investment advice and market commentary like they are equity analysts.
Or we can wake up smell the coffee and realize that PAG has turned the GT line into volume product. This is going the way of AMG which now churns out 15k+ cars annually in all shapes. Do the math--we're not that far off when one adds up all the products to which AP's department lends its name.
We are at this weird point where a run of 1,948 is being advertised as "limited". Look back in automotive history, when has a 2,000 run of anything ever been deemed scarce?
Still wanna talk about widening market appeal / developing market absorption?
#19
if you want a rare car in 2018 buy a base carrera
#20
I don't fully understand the black box that spelled out the 2700 magic number of .2 3RS. Believe it has something to do with "10-15 GT cars a day max capacity". Unless you are a PAG production manager, how do you know they can't make major improvement in efficiency? The number does not seem to match the anecdotal but real world evidence of dealership allocation. Does your AD receive 1/2 to 1/3 fewer 3RS of Gen2 vs. Gen1?
#21
It's surprising there is this much speculation and discussion on the quantity of a GT car build. This seems like an easy number to quantify to the unit, unless part of the GT allure is the practice of obfuscating numbers.
#22
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Porsche is in the business of making money and they see a golden opportunity and are cranking out GT cars while the economy is hot and especially as baby boomers are saying why not spend it on something I deserve for working hard before I die or to do something fun with what money they inherited.........
#23
For this section of market (not limited to any brand or class of goods), exclusivity has always been a major part of buyer decision and marketing strategy. Which part is surprising? Nothing to do with how you plan to use the car
#24
Let's be realistic guys.
992 GT cars are N/A as well. Probably better engine. Design wise... controversial. Anyways, too many 991 GT cars and it ain't last of NA 991. I wouldn't bother bubble wraping 991 GT cars. Look at what happened to all those bubble wrapped low mileage 991.1 RS lol.
992 GT cars are N/A as well. Probably better engine. Design wise... controversial. Anyways, too many 991 GT cars and it ain't last of NA 991. I wouldn't bother bubble wraping 991 GT cars. Look at what happened to all those bubble wrapped low mileage 991.1 RS lol.
#25
The value/volume threads are out of touch. 5k cars worldwide is not a lot of cars. 1200 cars for the US is minuscule. I have never seen a GT3rs outside of a dealership or a track. I've never seen a 911R outside of a showroom or a GT2RS. These cars ARE quite rare. Wether this translates into value, or justifies their markup is a different issue in the long run and time will tell.
Like historically before, these cars will likely depreciate steadily and stabilize vs maybe appreciate at a rate far slower than any real financial investment. Buy these cars to drive them or at least enjoy their simple presence but not as investments....
Like historically before, these cars will likely depreciate steadily and stabilize vs maybe appreciate at a rate far slower than any real financial investment. Buy these cars to drive them or at least enjoy their simple presence but not as investments....
today. The world wide market for these cars has expanded, China, India, and Russia are buying up more and more.
Walking down rodeo drive or palm beach ave is not a great indicator of how rare a car is.
#27
Drifting
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#29
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Also Manual versus PDK for those that think their Touring or manual GT3 will be appreciating to the level of the anniversary gold 993 Turbo that sold for charity this past weekend at Sotheby's......for over 3 million$...........
#30
They owe nothing more to their regular GT clients who are getting an exceptional car at good value.