GA coming after MT plate owners
10-25-2018, 08:53 PM
#61
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I don't run montana plates on ANY car nor have I ever, but for high dollar collector cars that don't really see the road almost ever, having to pay full freight on oneis sucky. If you drive it on the road and actually use it, then you should definitely pay up. Overall better off getting a dealer license and just doing what you need to do to qualify. Easy no, totally legal and something upstanding, yes.
10-25-2018, 09:09 PM
#62
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morality police ...
how many of you work for a large corporation? how many of them run their international transactions through Ireland and for years have enjoyed preferred international tax treatment? you complain to their boards while reaping the benefits on shareholder ROI? How many of you have setup partial or full residency in FL or other states to minimize taxable obligations?
Huge difference in avoidance vs. fraud
This is about legality, not morality. Tax law is governed by the former.
as said above, don't hate the player, hate the game
P.S. I've not "martinized" my car hoard, CA plates on all of them. Smog checks, taxes, and all. And I feel like my a$$ is a little looser as a result of it.
how many of you work for a large corporation? how many of them run their international transactions through Ireland and for years have enjoyed preferred international tax treatment? you complain to their boards while reaping the benefits on shareholder ROI? How many of you have setup partial or full residency in FL or other states to minimize taxable obligations?
Huge difference in avoidance vs. fraud
This is about legality, not morality. Tax law is governed by the former.
as said above, don't hate the player, hate the game
P.S. I've not "martinized" my car hoard, CA plates on all of them. Smog checks, taxes, and all. And I feel like my a$$ is a little looser as a result of it.
10-25-2018, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Spyerx
P.S. I've not "martinized" my car hoard, CA plates on all of them. Smog checks, taxes, and all. And I feel like my a$$ is a little looser as a result of it.
10-25-2018, 09:48 PM
#64
Drifting
Since there is a deep sense of morality here, what about those in the military? Lots of military folks in my area who run TX, MT, OR plates. From talking with my military friends, I understand it to be legal but the objective is to lower ‘expenses’.
10-25-2018, 09:55 PM
#65
Originally Posted by BryanCO
Since there is a deep sense of morality here, what about those in the military? Lots of military folks in my area who run TX, MT, OR plates. From talking with my military friends, I understand it to be legal but the objective is to lower ‘expenses’.
10-25-2018, 10:06 PM
#66
Drifting
10-25-2018, 10:14 PM
#67
Originally Posted by BryanCO
So if you can legally reduce your taxes by choosing your state of residence, state to register vehicles, etc., then it’s ok. ?
10-25-2018, 10:24 PM
#68
Drifting
No judgment, but there are legal exemptions written into the law for active military members. Plenty of other legal exemptions for honorable discharged military members regarding property tax credits comes to mind. Soldiers, marines, airmen, and sailors sacrifice soo much for so little in compensation, the government throws them a "bone"
I have no issue with it but also don’t have an issue with others making sound financial decisions that are within the constraints of the law.
10-25-2018, 10:32 PM
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10-25-2018, 11:10 PM
#71
Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
This form makes me feel so special. 
For the record i want to be clear on something. If you do the "Montana thing" I don't think you're a horrible person nor would i or do I dislike you. I just personally think it's wrong. We can all afford the taxes. I have many close friends, I mean some real heavy hitters with serious collections that put me to shame financially. And they use a Montana LLC. And I love to bust their ***** about the Montana stuff. All good. We all make our own choices and have to live with them, good and bad taken into account. They are still my friends. I'm not ratting them out. I not mad at them. But I will speak my mind and do some ball busting.
Rant # 2 over.
10-25-2018, 11:15 PM
#73
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I suspect, CA hasn't taken a hard line like this due to the burden of proof to determine if the car is resident in CA for more time than any other place.
That's their test:
A vehicle must be registered in California if it is based in California or is primarily used on California highways (located or operated in this state for a greater amount of time than any other individual state during the registration period), even if registered to a nonresident owner (CVC §4000.4).
So, sure police can pull you over. Hassle you. You state you have an entity in MT (you do) and how do they know or how can they prove the car hasn't been in NV? or WA, or MT??? For more time than in CA???
Now, in GA, they found a way. Toll Tags. SMART. WE don't have any toll ways here in CA.
Like I said, I like my fists gritty so I just pay the. bills. Like to fly low. Lots of buddies do it. Their decision, and yeah, it's fun to bust their ***** for being cheap bastards. :-)
10-25-2018, 11:24 PM
#74
yes. but. the. car is owned by an. LLC, not an. individual. in CA, that is defined as both resident and non-resident vehicles.
I suspect, CA hasn't taken a hard line like this due to the burden of proof to determine if the car is resident in CA for more time than any other place.
That's their test:
A vehicle must be registered in California if it is based in California or is primarily used on California highways (located or operated in this state for a greater amount of time than any other individual state during the registration period), even if registered to a nonresident owner (CVC §4000.4).
So, sure police can pull you over. Hassle you. You state you have an entity in MT (you do) and how do they know or how can they prove the car hasn't been in NV? or WA, or MT??? For more time than in CA???
Now, in GA, they found a way. Toll Tags. SMART. WE don't have any toll ways here in CA.
Like I said, I like my fists gritty so I just pay the. bills. Like to fly low. Lots of buddies do it. Their decision, and yeah, it's fun to bust their ***** for being cheap bastards. :-)
I suspect, CA hasn't taken a hard line like this due to the burden of proof to determine if the car is resident in CA for more time than any other place.
That's their test:
A vehicle must be registered in California if it is based in California or is primarily used on California highways (located or operated in this state for a greater amount of time than any other individual state during the registration period), even if registered to a nonresident owner (CVC §4000.4).
So, sure police can pull you over. Hassle you. You state you have an entity in MT (you do) and how do they know or how can they prove the car hasn't been in NV? or WA, or MT??? For more time than in CA???
Now, in GA, they found a way. Toll Tags. SMART. WE don't have any toll ways here in CA.
Like I said, I like my fists gritty so I just pay the. bills. Like to fly low. Lots of buddies do it. Their decision, and yeah, it's fun to bust their ***** for being cheap bastards. :-)
I'm surprised CA isn't doing everything they can and then some to get there hands on that lost revenue. Maybe the relative amount is too small for them to make it a priority. Probably easier to just raise income taxes.
10-26-2018, 12:21 AM
#75
yes. but. the. car is owned by an. LLC, not an. individual. in CA, that is defined as both resident and non-resident vehicles.
I suspect, CA hasn't taken a hard line like this due to the burden of proof to determine if the car is resident in CA for more time than any other place.
That's their test:
A vehicle must be registered in California if it is based in California or is primarily used on California highways (located or operated in this state for a greater amount of time than any other individual state during the registration period), even if registered to a nonresident owner (CVC §4000.4).
So, sure police can pull you over. Hassle you. You state you have an entity in MT (you do) and how do they know or how can they prove the car hasn't been in NV? or WA, or MT??? For more time than in CA???
Now, in GA, they found a way. Toll Tags. SMART. WE don't have any toll ways here in CA.
Like I said, I like my fists gritty so I just pay the. bills. Like to fly low. Lots of buddies do it. Their decision, and yeah, it's fun to bust their ***** for being cheap bastards. :-)
I suspect, CA hasn't taken a hard line like this due to the burden of proof to determine if the car is resident in CA for more time than any other place.
That's their test:
A vehicle must be registered in California if it is based in California or is primarily used on California highways (located or operated in this state for a greater amount of time than any other individual state during the registration period), even if registered to a nonresident owner (CVC §4000.4).
So, sure police can pull you over. Hassle you. You state you have an entity in MT (you do) and how do they know or how can they prove the car hasn't been in NV? or WA, or MT??? For more time than in CA???
Now, in GA, they found a way. Toll Tags. SMART. WE don't have any toll ways here in CA.
Like I said, I like my fists gritty so I just pay the. bills. Like to fly low. Lots of buddies do it. Their decision, and yeah, it's fun to bust their ***** for being cheap bastards. :-)